The stream ends. Then what?
Arno Pretorius, founder of Kingdom Spaces (Next Is Faith) in South Africa, has spent two years and about 2,800 hours building an answer, largely on his own. On Becoming theChurch.digital he tells Jeff Reed what he found when he looked at how churches actually work week to week: not a lack of technology, but tools so fragmented that the Sunday gathering and the rest of the week feel like different churches.
They talk about the person who has watched a church's YouTube thirty or fifty times and still isn't connected to anyone, why notes are the feature churches underestimate most, turning anonymous viewers into people who are known, the 250,000 hours of church content that go up every Sunday, why the church should own its own platforms, and what accountability looks like in a digital church. Arno's advice for a church whose stream ends with nothing after it: decide what the stream is for. Jeff's: if he led a church under a hundred people, he'd double down on digital.
In Arno's words: "I would say success is if we can convert those anonymous people into people that are known."
CHAPTERS
0:00 Welcome, and next week's Town Hall
7:18 Meet Arno, and a call into digital ministry
14:09 What Kingdom Spaces is: one church, not two
18:02 Two years building alone, and a digital ark
20:21 What churches actually lack
24:24 The stream ends. Then what?
27:54 Notes: what churches underestimate most
33:21 Bad days, and how many AI agents
44:45 Success: from anonymous to known
50:46 250,000 hours of church every Sunday
54:19 Why the church should own its platforms
58:40 Coaching churches, and what accountability means
1:08:00 First advice: know why you stream
1:10:54 Small churches should double down on digital
1:17:10 Chat in the room and online
1:23:46 Closing: the gap between Sundays
Kingdom Spaces: https://kingdom.online
Follow: @kingdomspaces · @nextisfaith
Going deeper:
What is a digital missionary? https://thechurch.digital/guides/what-is-a-digital-missionary/
Hybrid church: https://thechurch.digital/guides/hybrid-church/
Church online: https://thechurch.digital/guides/church-online/
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Becoming theChurch.digital is the show for church leaders figuring out digital ministry in public.
This season: The Listening Tour — less broadcasting at digital ministry, more listening to where it actually is.
https://thechurch.digital/guides/what-is-a-digital-missionary/
https://thechurch.digital
@bethechurchdigital
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Founder, Kingdom Spaces — Next Is Faith
Cape Town, South Africa
I'm a husband and father of three — two daughters and a son — from South Africa. I've spent much of my life serving the church through technology, production and ministry, and today I'm focused on pioneering what I believe the Digital Kingdom can become.
