How Your Church Can Have Engaging Text Conversations

[Tom Pounder] Today we're going to talk about texting and how you can make it not just a one-way conversation, but an engaging conversation with whoever you're texting at your church. Are you ready? Because it's time. [Announcer] You're listening to the Church Digital Sidekick Podcast, part of the TCD Podcast Network. [Tom Pounder] hey heroes my name is Tom Pounder this is the church digital psychic podcast this is the podcast where I bring on ministry leaders and we talk about how you can do ministry more effectively in this very digital and online world and today I've got my friend Jeanette Yates back with me she works at Texan Church and today we talk about texting because one of the things that I hear a lot and she hears this as well as we discuss in the conversation. But one of the things we hear a lot is that texting is just a one-way conversation for churches. They just share information and they never get information back and they never engage with the person they're texting. So how do you overcome that? What can you do? Jeanette shares with us a few different tips that we can do as churches to create engaging conversations that go back and forth where you're really doing ministry rather than just broadcasting information. So I'm really excited to have Jeanette on. She's got a lot of great knowledge and a lot of great information. So without any further ado, let's get into the conversation with Jeanette Yates right now. All right. Well, with me right now is my friend. And while she's not a fellow Floridian, she is a Floridian. I'm not. I'm a Virginian. This is Jeanette Yates, and she's with Texan Church. Jeanette, how are you? [Jeanette Yates] I'm great. You can be an honorary Floridian, actually, if you want to be, since you have people here. [Tom Pounder] Yes, I do have people there. I hope they don't stay there forever, but, you know, yeah. you wear flip-flops like way too much for someone who's not in florida yes i've cut back on that i i have cut back on that i've been wearing more slip-on shoes of late so there you go know i'm trying to become i'm just getting older jeanette i mean yeah it's it's not quite working for me anymore so well jeanette jeanette i actually had like a 20-minute conversation before you even you know so i don't even know what to start with other than jeanette i know you very well we've we've been friends for quite a number of years you love twitter but for someone who doesn't know who you are why don't you share with everyone who you are what you do [Jeanette Yates] Okay, so my name is Jeanette. I do live in Florida. I'm married and have two awesome boys. And I am the community manager for Text in Church. which is a dream job. I love doing it. Basically I get to hang out with church leaders online in zoom calls, all those things all the time and help them learn how to use technology and use it to connect with their communities and build relationships with their members and guests. And that's basically what I do. [Tom Pounder] I would say texting church is the premier texting service for churches to use. We use it at my church, and I am so glad we do. [Jeanette Yates] yeah you know text and church has been around for a little while now so we are the leading provider of text messaging for churches and one of the things that we really help churches do is learn how to use the platform in ways that make sense for their church because we know that every church is unique has a has a different set of members and different communities and we want them to feel successful And like, they're actually connecting with their members and their guests and their community and not just, you know, yelling into the void, right. Sending out spammy stuff or whatever. [Tom Pounder] Yeah. And you run the Facebook group, right, for Texan Church? [Jeanette Yates] Yes. All of our team tries to get in there and interact with our members in there, but we have a wonderful community there inside the Texan Church Community Facebook group where one of the things I love about it is, like I just mentioned, every church uses technology differently, whether it's Texan Church or Planning Center. you know, CCB or whatever, MailChimp, whatever, people are using all of these things differently. And so to have a place where they can come and say, okay, how are you using these tech tools to really do ministry? And I know that's something that's near and dear to your heart, Tom, because you've been doing that through your digital bootcamp for a long time, where you're really just helping people not just use technology, but use it in a way that's kingdom building. and progressing toward that goal of sharing the gospel so you know we want to have this hub have this community of people that are that have that like-minded thinking of okay so i've got this texting tool now what and so different churches you know we've got pastors we've got you know church administrators we've got uh youth pastors that are also the tech person you know we've got all these different people right all different contexts coming in and kind of sharing and encouraging with each other encouraging each other which i just absolutely that's my favorite thing so [Tom Pounder] Well, and I know you've had experience with this because you've been on podcasts before, but you've also hosted your own. But one of the new things you guys just started doing at the end of last year was you guys came up with a podcast. So tell me a little bit. I've listened to a few of the episodes, and I love them. They're short. They're sweet. They're very focused. But tell me a little bit about your podcast and why you guys actually chose to start a podcast. [Jeanette Yates] Well, first of all, as you're well aware, Tom, I am a podcast fanatic. So I could start 10 podcasts today because I have that many interests and I love podcasting. But, you know, finding the right podcast that would actually serve our community was one of the things that like every time I'd be like, oh, I have a great idea. Let's do a podcast. They're like, okay, Jeanette, calm down. And so we kind of kept coming to the drawing board because podcasting is so popular. And just when you think like, oh, it's got to be peaking, it shifts and changes. And then podcast is more viable now as a tool for communication or marketing. storytelling, community building, all of those things than it was, you know, a few years ago. So, you know, we kept coming back to the drawing board on it. And one of the things that, you know, like I mentioned in our community, we hear from everyday church leaders all the time. So I think sometimes when, you know, you're trying to learn how to use something new or bring in a technology into your church because you know you need to be sending a better email or you know you need to be starting to use texting or get a better website or whatever the people telling you about it it's like they've been working in that website or texting or email or whatever for so long that that like maybe they don't get what it's like to be sitting in your shoes trying to do all the things that you need to do in ministry. A lot of ministry leaders, a lot of church communicators that I talk to as part of the community that we've built, they're frazzled. They are multitasking. They are spinning plates, juggling, whatever you want to say. They are frazzled. And we wanted to hear how they use technology to go from frazzled to focused and so that's really what we started thinking is instead of instead of having us telling people how they could use text in church for example to organize streamline save time why don't we let our members tell people how they use text in church and then maybe other platforms as well you know one of our one of the podcasts this is a spoiler alert that's for season two one of the people that we interviewed was like i used to do not disturb on my phone that's how i set boundaries that's how i do it we were like oh that's a tech tool okay so it doesn't have to be one you know and that's real that's real life right it's like some sometimes you use what you have and right now for this you know this person their do not disturb was the best tool for other people it's like google docs i live and breathe like i can't you know i can't deal without it and just listening to them talk about those different tech tools they also share about how they use text in church to to help them focus help them stay on task the right task i don't know about you tom but for me i have so many different tasks so many different things i'm doing every day whether it be for text in church or for my family or for you know caregiving for my mother that if i don't have reminders set i'm gonna something's gonna drop something's gonna slip through the cracks and so having tech help me stay focused on the people around me helps me be a better communicator a better community builder a better mom a better wife a better caregiver a better daughter and so you know that's what we're really doing with this podcast is allowing people to share how they're using technology to actually spend more time doing what got them into ministry in the first place right so that's what we want so i'm really excited season one uh dropped right around the holidays we just wanted to give somebody a little something to listen to while they're wrapping presents and all that kind of stuff season two is coming out later um this spring and i'm already so excited about the new season we got new music the whole shebang it's gonna be great [Tom Pounder] I, you said about reminders, I used to be a big, you know, memo pad, here's all my to do list. And I need to do that for the week. And I've become less than that. And where I've become huge in those reminders on my iPhone, because it goes on my computer, my iPhone, my iPad. And my goal is to know have no reminders sticking up in the top right corner. know of my computer by the end of the day it they've become very vital so i i love the reminders yes But we're not going to talk about reminders today, which, by the way, I will include the text and church podcast in the show notes so you can check it out. Make sure I have subscribed to it, and I would encourage you to subscribe to it as well. But we're going to talk about texting. In particular, we're going to talk about this one question that I always deal with at my church is how do we make texting not just a one way communication? in fact like again a lot of times that we'll send out a text to people it'll be a reminder hey remember about the big game party we've got going on a reminder about the youth group thing but rather sending about information how do you make it where it's a two-way conversation because i really do believe texting is a huge huge resource tool for us use as our church. So I'm sure you get that question asked a lot. Is that true? [Jeanette Yates] It's true. I get it asked a lot. Or people will say, oh, we don't want to use texting. So like your church uses text in church. My church does too. They use texting, but it still can sometimes turn into that just... know billboard right that broadcast channel and so there's the there's people that are using texting but they're like you know it's not you know it's not really it's not really a ministry tool it's just a you know a bulletin board and then there's the other people that are like oh texting that is so spammy like who wants a text And so to kind of combat that those both of those objections like it's just one way or you know we don't want to use that because it's you know people don't like texting because it's spammy. First of all, I want to say. You are right that texting can be a valuable ministry tool. As a matter of fact, all forms of that smaller communication, so one-on-one texting back and forth, DMs, so whether it's your Twitter DM, your Instagram DM, your Facebook Messenger. Those are becoming more and more popular among people who maybe don't want to have large conversations with lots of people. They just want to have one-on-one conversations with one or maybe like a smaller group of people. And so we have to, as a church, adapt to that communication preference, right? So if you're not doing any kind of one-on-one or, you know, fewer people you know communications you know that's something to consider so that's one thing i just wanted to get out of the way that like hey you know it's it's still a thing that you need to look in even though people are you know maybe kind of there's lots of other bells and whistles right reels and you know tick tock and all that but like it's that it's those one-on-one conversations where relationships get built and then when relationships get built that's where that um you know where you can lead people to faith or encourage them in their faith and so yeah well okay can i step in real quick yeah i was gonna say this i could i could do this whole like a ted talk on this so you're gonna have to interrupt me so feel free [Tom Pounder] why not again because we're friends i don't mind interrupting you um but the the thing is um i i'm glad you made the the um the statement of it's it's what we're talking about is more than just texting on your phone with a phone number right dms are really really important these days especially with the younger generation yes When I think about texting, I think about I'm going to get on my SMS, iMessage stuff, text people. But I've discovered that there are certain people that won't respond to my text message, but they will respond to my Instagram DM or my Twitter DM. You and I go back and forth all the time. We're DMing on Twitter. We're doing texting. A lot of people use direct messages. Right. [Jeanette Yates] So you can think of it like that too like even though we're going to be talking about texting and text in church and how that works to to have those conversations think about the conversations you have with your friends and dms it's that same kind of conversational tone so switching over to using texting you know one of the easiest things you can do to stop using tech you know your text messaging platform i hope it's text in church but there are others to stop using it as a broadcast platform first of all you want to make sure that your texting platform is like text and church and that it gives you a local phone number that's a 10-digit number so that it doesn't look like a marketing spam text right it's coming from a local number that people can recognize and hopefully they've saved in their phone as oh this is my church texting me right that's one thing and then the second thing i always bring up is now i want i do want to i i hate a broadcast message in general but i live in a hurricane area of the country some people that work with me live in tornado country so there are times when a broadcast text, email, whatever is appropriate. So it's not that you would never use texting to broadcast important information. However, there are some things that we send out as a broadcast that could have a more conversational tone. So one of the examples I use is instead of texting all of your members, red alert we need vbs volunteers sign up at the link here that is a broadcast you're not asking to engage in any kind of conversation you're just yelling at them that you need help and here's how they can help you right now as someone who has needed volunteers before i'm not shaming you for doing this because I know sometimes you're down to, you know, you're nervous, you're getting stressed out. We do that. But what if we took a moment and said, okay, let me look at this members list. Okay, I have a list of people who have volunteered in the past. I'm gonna put them in a group and then I'm gonna message them and I'm gonna use my text in church platform, let's say, and instead of saying, hey, everyone, we need VBS volunteers. i say hey tom i wanted to let you know i wanted to let you know that we are looking for volunteers again this year for bbs are you in question mark don't put a link don't put a link let let people respond back to you no i'm not in i'm going to be on vacation that week yes or tell me more and that and guess what you just did [Tom Pounder] started a conversation well well here let me say this too i like the fact that you said hey tom you inserted the name and someone might be listening and saying oh does that mean i have to do these all individual one by one no texan church makes it easy right for you to input someone's name [Jeanette Yates] Yeah. So you could click, you know, I want to send this group of my previous volunteers that I made. So I have a group called past volunteers. When I go into that platform, I can select email or excuse me, text. You could email them to actually answer that site, text and church and stuff. I want to, you know, I want to text this group. And then when you type the message, you have the opportunity to add message variables, including first name. And so Tom's going to get one that says, Hey, Tom, Jeanette's going to get one that says, Hey, Jeanette. and you know it's going to be more personal and then you're getting responses back that let you know how to target your information better so then you have all these replies back that say i'm out well then you can remove them from that group if people are saying yes i'm in you know you can continue the conversation maybe then give them the link okay sign up here you can pick which spot you want right so it's a short conversation it's a conversation right and then you know that is one of the easiest things to do is like write the message not like you're writing an e-blast or a text blast write it like you're talking to one person and then use that name use the person's name in the text message right and that automatically is more personal more conversational So even when it's something that, you know, you are needing volunteers, needing signups, needing, you can still pose it as a personal question. Like, Hey, are you going to be able to go to fall festival this year? You know, whatever, you know, like it's, it's a little bit more conversational. [Tom Pounder] Well, I like that. In fact, I actually like it when you guys, Texan Church, sends me an email about, for instance, the Engage conference. I like it. You guys make it personal when you say who's sending the text. It's Jenna sending the text or it's Tyler. And I've seen other organizations do the same thing because then I'm like, oh, and I can actually visualize Tyler or I can visualize Jenna. and i'm like okay jenna's sending me this now again i know she's probably sending that exact same thing to everybody right right more personable and it might be like hey i want to text back to jenna about this or tyler about this right so well and we we do a good job you know another thing that churches can do um that make things more personal [Jeanette Yates] is not just texting because even what even the example i just showed or just told was um you know i needed something i needed volunteers but instead of just yelling that i kind of engaged in a conversation but i'm still in the end i'm still needing a volunteer right i'm still you know, like trying to start that conversation. And sometimes you're continuing the conversation, right? Sometimes you've already talked to this person at church about volunteering, and then you're sending this message, right? So some, in some cases it's, you know, extending it, but you know, in a lot of cases you're starting that. Well, another thing that churches can do so that when that text from the church comes, it's not like, oh, what, you know, what now, you know, what do they want now? What do I got to sign up for now? What, you know, is just periodically texting encouragement or texting so like you're not asking for anything you're just saying hey i just wanted you to know hey tom i just wanted you to know we prayed for you in staff meeting today right or i just wanted you to know that you know or you know i just you know i just i'm working on my sermon for this week and i hope i can see you there sign to your point signed pastor so-and-so right Uh, another thing is to just point blank, ask, how can we pray for you? How can our, how can our team or our prayer team pray for you today? Or how can I pray for you today? So if you're a ministry leader and you're working with youth or you're working with moms or whatever you send out, Hey, Jeanette, um, how can I pray for you today? Signed, you know, some other, I don't know. I'm ran out of names. I don't know. I'm sorry. My brain just went. And then people reply back. You then have a way you can pray for them. And sometimes you can text them right back with a quick prayer, add them to your prayer list, maybe go back later in the week and say, hey, I just wanted you to know I prayed for you this morning during my quiet time. You know, it's those engaging conversations. Now, you might be going, yeah, that takes time. But guess what? First of all, you can schedule some of those initial texts. that saves you time so that you can spend more time praying responding engaging connecting so that's and and you can send a text out that says how can i pray for you to everybody in your ministry and then get and then respond back individually as they reply back to you so you're only having to type how can i pray for you once And then you're engaging in those conversations throughout the week with those replies back. So I think that's really important. And our team at Text in Church does send out a periodic, how can we pray for you today? And we actually have a prayer team that prays. So it's not just a marketing tool for us, marketing strategy for us. We really do lift people who reply back. We do lift them up in prayer. And so it's something that... is a strategy to engage in conversation and engage and connect but it's it's also it's not a strategy that has no purpose has no meaning right yeah [Tom Pounder] No, I agree 100% with you. And again, I thought, you know, again, ministry leaders, we have so many things on our plate. We're doing so many things. But the reality is we've got in the ministry to help people discover God and come into a relationship with him. And so to say that, oh, my gosh, it takes so much time to interact with people. That's part of our job. That's the big part of our job. I would kill for those conversations. That's what we want. we want those kind of conversations just because they happen on a phone or on a computer rather than in person that doesn't make it any less meaningful i like what you're saying it starts the conversation so that you can follow up with them again digitally or the next time you see them at church you can go up to them and say hey how is that going we prayed for you like there's lots of opportunities that you can use that again just to start the conversation so [Jeanette Yates] Yeah, it's a great way. And like, one of the things I like about the text and church system, which is the only system I can speak to, right. So, um, but you know, with those reply backs and everything, like you can go in and say, you know, look at, so I could go into my system and look at Tom, the conversation that Tom conversation history that Tom Pounder has had. with so i can see past prayer requests i can see my past replies all of those things and that gives you a record and you know it's like i know that you've probably heard this and you know some bible study where it's like write down your prayers and then write down the answers that you get and see that well this is kind of that same thing where you can go back and see the conversation and how it's developed so like for me now that i work you know i used to be just like you tom and use text in church with my church i was the communications manager there and i used it and now i'm i'm on the team so i can actually go back and look at the system and i can see how my quote relationship with text and church and the people on their team has involved evolved over the years and how i went from help i don't know how to do this what do you mean by that i still don't understand help me help me help me um to actually you know like engaging in more um meaningful conversations with team members as I learned how to use the platform and then of course now the conversation history is different too because I'm on both sides of it but you know I think if you look at that from a church and pastoral perspective discipleship perspective you can see how these conversations how your relationships with people have um developed over the course of those conversations even though that those texting and email conversations are only part of the story they're not the whole story they're part of it but it's a good little record to have as well [Tom Pounder] Yeah, I love it. I think that's great that you can be able to go back and check out that stuff. You know, one of the things, you and I have talked about this before, but one of the things I really like to utilize Texan Church for is to text out devotionals. We send out devotional encouragement. And even in that, you can make it a two-way conversation because you can say, hey, today we're reading Genesis chapter 32. read it and then share reply back to me something that stood out to you in that chapter and again most of the people won't respond to me but there are people that do respond and say this and again that enables us to have a discipleship opportunity in a discipleship conversation beyond just hey read genesis chapter 32 today yeah and then leave it like that you know [Jeanette Yates] Well, and that's the thing is like one of the easiest ways to start a conversation is ask a question. And it's like, when I say that and you hear it right now, you're like, oh yeah, that's how I start all my conversations. Like in real life, when you meet somebody, you say, hey, what is your name? Question mark. you know whatever and then you start you know how did you hear about this coffee shop or what you know you you have you usually conversations start with a question and then you go back and forth and so i think when in doubt like ask a question or like in your case you weren't even asking questions you were just like share your takeaway share what you learned or share something that you felt um and so like sometimes it doesn't have to be a question but you're you're giving them as we like to say in the biz a call to action you're asking them to do something um so i think that's um you know a great idea as well but the in the in the in the grand scheme of things you know technology is not the um answer in the way that a lot of people think like if i just had better graphics my instagram would be better if i just um had this tool then my um I would be able to get all of my volunteer slots filled. In the grand scheme of things, it's the relationships that you're building and using technology, whether it be texting or DMs or... engaging in conversations and online groups or whatever, that's going to be what, you know, it's that relationship building. That's really the point. And technology is really there just to help you be able to do your ministry work more efficiently, more effectively. And with a little less frazzle, as we like to say, a little less frazzle, a little bit more focus. [Tom Pounder] No, that's awesome. This has all been great. Okay. So, you know, these are great tips that people can have when, when texting, is there anything else that you would add to this? [Jeanette Yates] Well, um, so I think first of all, I would, I would love anybody to, and I know Tom, you probably have a link to that you can share with them. I would love people to try out, um, text and church. We do offer free trials. Of course, you can also just, um, Tom, feel free to share my contact information. Um, they can hit me up on Twitter or Facebook or even Instagram and talk to me about more about what it means to really use technology. specifically texting but i'll i'll talk to you about anything technology and ministry related um but i really think that um investing the time in learning how to use a tool well um and really you know another thing that you know i keep saying tool but like texan church would say no it's a solution not a tool so it's you know we're we're helping you know we want to solve the problem of you not having enough time of you um feeling like you're always trying to keep a leg up. So, you know, if you want to talk more about that, or if you want to figure out how text in church might be able to be a solution for you. And then if you want to talk strategy, I'm definitely in for that, but we, you can attend. I do live demos once a week for text in church. I'm happy to do that, or just y'all can shoot me a DM and I'll be happy to chat with you individually as well. Cause like we mentioned the DM. the situation in social is blowing up right like that's where it's all it says we're it's going down in the dm because that's where people are really like talking back and forth and asking questions they feel a lot more comfortable doing that than sometimes like in a big facebook group or on a facebook page or an ad or something like that [Tom Pounder] Yeah, and I would just add, and I'll include all those links to connect with Jeanette. She's awesome. She's a great resource. And I've even called her or texted her and said, hey, I've got this issue here. And she's very helpful. but i would say if if you're trying texting and it's not working right now don't give up on it try just try something different do not just highlight three or four different things that you could do just keep on trying at it because what's the thing it's over 90 of the people who get texas [Jeanette Yates] are opening them so they're gonna see it so the question is will they respond to it and are you giving them something to respond to or are you just telling them hey sign up for my we need more volunteers sign up for it you know and one more thing i would add we did talk a little bit about automation or scheduling and that sometimes can turn people off they can say like oh that sounds very robotic like i don't i don't want people to feel like we're trying to use a bot to you know do ministry and i want to encourage you that you know first of all any any message that you schedule you're typing ahead of time and scheduling it to go out at a cent at a time that makes sense for you so when we talk about that time management piece or allowing you to have more time you know you may be a bi-vocational person or you may be somebody you know that maybe you work for the church but within the church you're quad vocational you have four different roles right And you sit, you don't have time to text everybody during the week to ask for prayer and all that kind of stuff. So you can sit down and say, I want to pray for everybody in my youth ministry once a week. And I want to be intentional about that time. So I'm going to schedule an email. Why do I keep saying email? It's called text in church, y'all. Goodness gracious. I'm going to send a text. I want to schedule a text to go out every week to ask how I can pray for the people in my ministry. Now, when you have time to actually sit down and schedule that out, that may be 9 p.m. on a Monday. You don't want to send that out at 9 p.m. You want to schedule that. Right. And so you can schedule that. But you're still writing that. You're just scheduling it to go out at a time that's going to make sense, even if you're having to write it at midnight or 9 p.m. or something. So it's you know, that's where that, you know, automate, you know, that automation or using a scheduler. It's not taking away the ministry portion. It's taking away the schedule portion, the the, you know. inefficiency, or maybe you say, oh yeah, I can take three seconds to send out this text in the middle of the day tomorrow, but you're going to get busy, right? You're not. And so this helps you kind of stay focused. And then with, you know, we also have some automated where you can schedule up a schedule, a series of messages, like you mentioned with the devotionals, Tom. Well, that can sound, oh, you're going to, this is an automated thing that's going to just automatically send out all these devotionals. Well, you're still writing the devotionals. Your pastor's still writing the devotionals. You're still writing those emails and texts. You're just scheduling it so that you can go about your business of ministering and responding and replying and engaging without having to remember to send those out every single day for the duration of that devotional. So it's not about... you know, it's automated, but it's not taking that, it's not taking the ministry away from you. It's giving you more time to do the ministry. [Tom Pounder] The scheduling feature is the best thing that, well, not the best thing, but it is an amazing tool within text and church because I'm able, I've scheduled things out days ahead of time. It saves me time and whatnot. And the automation stuff too is. Again, from a devotional perspective of what we've really been committed to at my church, it has been a time saver. And that stuff lives there. And anybody can do that Bible study at any time throughout the year. And it's done. I've put the same amount of thought in it. They're just reading it at a different time of year than when I originally posted it. So again, it's just so helpful. And there's great tools there. [Jeanette Yates] Okay. I know you're, I know we're getting ready to wrap up because I know that podcast is almost over, but let me just tell you this one story and I will give you the link so you can share it in the show notes. But one of our members shared recently in our Facebook group that he created a 365 day workflow. that sends encouraging messages to people that so they have a ministry that serves people in cancer treatment and that those patients can sign up to receive these daily encouragement devotionals and he shared that with us and so i'll share the link with you because that's another way that the scheduler and using using texting for ministry that's how that really works and of course he's engaged in conversations with [Tom Pounder] some of those people and so it's anyway it's just another really great story okay i'm sorry i'm sorry i just wanted to throw that in there one more thing one more thing yeah no no i like it we've been trying to wrap up for 10 minutes now and it's been like you know but no it's been good um the uh okay so i'll include all of jeanette's links she will have that stuff again one of the best ways to get a hold of her is on twitter uh that's where we first met um and so and we have met in person before so that's you know Yes. So that's been good. But yes, Jeanette, it's always great having you on. Thanks. Thanks for being on the podcast. [Jeanette Yates] Thank you for having me as always. I love hanging out. [Tom Pounder] All right. So what stood out to you from that conversation? I know Jeanette and I, we go back and forth a lot of different things. We've known each other for quite a number of years. And she's a wonderful person, but she's got so much knowledge, so much information. What is it that she said that stood out to you? What encouraged you from this episode? I would love to hear your thoughts so that we can have this conversation, carry on online some more. Hit me up on Twitter at TAPounder or Jeanette Yates. She's all her information. is in the show notes so definitely hit her up as well we would love to talk a little bit more about how you can have engaging conversations with people from your church to other people that you're doing ministry to that's again engaging conversations not just one-way conversations so share with us there and we can have that conversation online All right, heroes, that wraps it up for another episode of the Church Digital Sidekick Podcast. As always, if you enjoyed the conversation, I would love for you to subscribe to it. It's on YouTube. It's on Apple Podcasts. It's on Amazon. It's on all different kind of platforms. So go to your favorite podcast host, subscribe to it, and get these updates every single time we've got a new episode out. They come out very regularly. So definitely hit the subscribe button today. All right, heroes, I hope you have a great rest of your day, a great rest of your week. And until next time, have a great one.