"I Would Have Quit": The Secret Support System Behind My Streaming

JUSJAYD: I would say what's blessed me as a streamer is my wife. There's been several times with streaming where I said, you know what, I'm not enjoying this anymore, I'm going to quit. And she is literally supportive. Even though she's not a gamer, she doesn't watch streams, nothing. I wouldn't be streaming if it wasn't for her, because I would tell her, you know what, I don't feel like she's like, if it's not something you don't want to do anymore, then don't do it. And it's just that little bit that she tells me, pops in my head, well, I do enjoy it. I do enjoy changing people's lives, so maybe I will still do it.

Flatcap: Welcome in, welcome in, everyone, to Control-Alt-Redeem. Resetting the culture, redeeming the space. JUSJAYD with us on the podcast today.

JUSJAYD: Hello, hello, hello.

Flatcap: Yeah, a few of you getting a little ahead of yourself. I can't see you. Well, I wasn't on screen yet. It was this just starting screen. Exactly. Making sure that we have stuff. Yes, JD already had us there, but I was just making sure we were all good and ready so that we can have that. So thank you, everyone, who is here so prompt and ready to go. If you did not see, we will have a podcast next Wednesday. I did get that lined up. And then, man, if I can get something lined up at Reach Conference in person, I mean, I would love if there was a space there where they could just have it set up for podcasting, and I could just go in with somebody, interview them for two, three hours at the conference. That would be fun, but I don't know if that'll happen.

JUSJAYD: That would be great.

Flatcap: Yeah. I actually tried to do that when I went to my seminary. I went to visit them last May, and they now have a podcast studio set up, and I thought, man, I would really love to use their equipment. But then it's like, I don't know when to set this up, when I'll be there, when things are happening, when they're not happening. And then it's like, so I can record it, but can I actually do it live on Twitch? I just like, eh, I love the idea. Maybe not. Yeah, but I think I'm going to pass, you know.

JUSJAYD: But yeah, there's a coffee shop by me, and this coffee shop has a podcast studio that you can use.

Flatcap: That's really cool. I have a friend that runs a studio for people being able to do podcasts, and he has multiple rooms set up. So he has the conference room table with things set up. He has the individual solo streamer. He has a whole couch scene set up. So he's got, you can go in there and do things. I've been on his podcast a couple of times and got to use the space. I mean, it's, he's, he's got some serious tech into, into that. And he, he does, I don't say he does a lot of podcasts. He does that. And he does a lot of creative stuff with digital arts. So it's pretty cool. That's interesting. To see him with movie making and some stuff like that too. It's like some of the, like, I'm a pastor over here. Like I am self-taught tech. So it's, it's, it's real easy to go. Here's the line. I understand that you just went like five steps past the line.

Flatcap: Let's, let's slow down and figure it out a bit. Yeah. Yeah. But I've always dabbled in it. It's just, I've never, I've never taken any courses. It's just, you know, no enough to get by, but if there's a troubleshooting thing, I can't do it on the fly in the middle of a service or in the middle of a podcast and always get it straight.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. You got to stop what you're doing pretty much or wait till you're done.

Flatcap: Yeah. Yeah. One thing at a time, not streaming and, and troubleshooting, but you know, you, you do what you are good at and you do what you're called to do.

JUSJAYD: Exactly.

Flatcap: Well, I'm just looking at all the names coming in. We got a number of people in the house. So this is great. So if you guys have questions, thoughts, if we, if we see them and we want to jump in and chime in, we will do that. If not, we might just comment in the chat as well. Cause I don't want to disrupt the flow of a conversation with questions, but if they're good, I might ask you to repost them if I miss them. So thanks. Thanks everyone for being here. And if you are catching this on the VOD and not here live. You're going to miss some of the stuff that might be going on. It might get cut on, it'd be on the cutting room floor. So there's always a little shenanigans in the live broadcast that you miss. If you're not here with us. Now I want to, I love to start with everybody. Cause I, I love origin stories. I don't know about you. I love origin stories. How did this thing come about?

Flatcap: So how did you first come across Twitch and what was the, the way in which you decided to get started as a Twitch streamer?

JUSJAYD: That's, that's an interesting one. So about eight years ago, I was watching a guy on YouTube play GTARP. Great guy. His, I don't remember his name cause he doesn't really do it anymore, but he always role played kind of the good guys. He was always the cop. And I was like, this looks interesting. I said, you know what? I might want to do it. And it maybe was like a month later, uh, you know, I got to thinking about it. I said, you know what? I'm going to try. I tried it, met some new people and I said, okay, this is my hobby. This is what I'm going to do. And that's pretty much how it started.

Flatcap: Well, not everyone's origin story has to, you know, be son of Krypton and on a spaceship and all of that kind of stuff. It can just be, you know, Clark Kent's dad. It can just, you know, or mom, Martha, Martha Kent. What a great origin story. She was born in Kansas, raised there. That's her origin story. So, yeah. So you, but I love the, I love this whole aspect that we get into with one person inspired you to move in and then you maybe go and inspire one more person. And then that multiplies because it just rolls into the next person doing it. So, so they were doing it on YouTube. Why did you choose to go on Twitch to do, or were the YouTube videos cut from? And Twitch.

JUSJAYD: His, so kind of both. Cause he really used, cause we've, when you watch his YouTube videos, you could tell he was interacting with somebody. And what I found out was, is that was his VODs. Yeah. Cause he recorded at the same time as he streamed. So he had one channel for just the uncut stuff, Twitch VODs, and another channel for the recorded stuff. And I found out he was on Twitch. I was like, what is, what is Twitch? And so, like I said, I checked it out. I'm like, this is interesting. I get to meet new people. I get to, you know, have entertainment instead of watching TV. Cause I'm not really a big TV person to begin with.

Flatcap: Yeah. The, the whole interactive aspect of it, engaging the person, which to me is so much more viable than, than just watching the VOD later on. Is, is you get to be there in the moment, engaging in the chat with other people and sometimes engaging with the streamer, depending on what the streamers are doing on screen, you know, fighting a boss battle, probably not a lot of engagement going to happen during that. So did you spend a lot of time continuing to play? I don't, I'm GTA. GTA. Yeah.

JUSJAYD: I actually never played GTA. Oh, okay. I mean, I've played it offline.

Flatcap: Yeah.

JUSJAYD: But it's something I've never really shown on. Okay. What did you stream? So the very first game I streamed, ironically, I streamed it from my phone and I was playing on my TV was a super Mario. Yeah. I was, I was playing super Mario. I had, I was kind of bored one day. I said, you know, let me try it out. I had my phone. So I downloaded Twitch, started live streaming directly to my TV and I'm like, okay, cool. This is kind of fun. And then I think I switched to a game, which was actually, it started out as a mobile game and then was ported to PC was called war robots, basically like a battle Royale five V five mech warrior fight. Yeah. I streamed that for months and people seem to really like it. And so that game kind of died off. And then it was just like every other streamer. When a game dies off, you go find something else to play.

Flatcap: Yeah. There's some of those games that, that do have that life cycle of it's brand new. People get excited about it. They follow it for a while and then they move on to a new exciting game, which I understand on some level, you know, even, even before streaming it, there were great games that were great, but you know, I defeated the legend of Zelda three times. Do I really need to play it again? You know, you know, now on the other side of it, if I just want to hang out with somebody else and play, I can bring out, you know, Mario brothers and we can play for a while and see who's better, you know, and, and do that. But when Mario cart came out now, you got something like it's a repetitive game. It doesn't matter every time it's fresh. Uh, you know, that, that was always fun with my kids to be able to just pull it out. We could play it. Right.

JUSJAYD: I still, to this day, every now and then I'll pull out my switch and play Mario cart just for the fun of it, for the nostalgia.

Flatcap: Yeah. Yeah. I, my son got the switch. I don't think I've ever actually played a game on the switch. I think I moved over to Xbox from, from the, we, I moved over, over to Xbox, but I did, I did like the, the double dash where you had two people versus two people. That, that was kind of fun where you can see drivers, you could do stuff and throw stuff and, and, and do that. Um, I w I've never been good at getting the boxes and getting stuff to, to help. Like just avoid that. I'm just trying to do this straight up. If I get a, if I get anything to help, it's by luck that I, I get a star or I get a blue shell. It's, it's not my way of doing much of anything.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. I always got the, the, the bananas. I used to love dropping the bananas and watch them spin out behind me.

Flatcap: Yeah. Yeah. Well, the nice thing with it, but with some things is I figured out you could hold it while getting another one so that you're ready with, you know, two different things. That, that was a cool situation when they, they allowed that. Yeah. So what was your, so you've started streaming your, were you, were you just focused on enjoyment, having fun? Were you thinking, let's build a community here. Let's be maybe an influencer. Let me do, you know, reach people for Christ. What, what after you just like went and tried it, did you, when did you decide what you were going to do with being a Twitch streamer?

JUSJAYD: Think I decided what I was going to do as a Twitch streamer was once I reached affiliate, which I think back then the affiliate requirements are a little bit higher. So it probably took me four months of, of networking, streaming, talking to other people, you know, just kind of getting better with each stream. And then once I reached affiliate, I'm like, you know, maybe I could do something with this. Maybe I'm not one that's ever said I'm going to make streamer in my full-time job. Yeah. It was, it's always going to be a hobby or, or something, but it was always to build like, like I said, a hobby or build a community, just enjoy games and meeting new people.

Flatcap: Yeah. The, the aspect that, yeah, those are two great things to do on Twitch is play games and meet new people. I mean, there's, man, I'm trying to think like how, like, have I ever had a week where I didn't meet a new person on Twitch? Like it's, it's just going to be there. You, you would have to, you'd have to be at a really, really niche game that nobody wants to show up and watch to not, to not really meet new people or to start, go out and meet new people by watching others who stream. So yeah, meeting new people, very easy thing to do on Twitch.

JUSJAYD: And you brought up, you know, niche games, sometimes playing those niche games actually brings people out. Cause it's, it's that one or two people that love that game and they see somebody streamed, they're like, Oh wait.

Flatcap: Yeah.

JUSJAYD: Somebody streamed my favorite game. Like past year, I've been playing old school RuneScape. Never in my life played it. Didn't really even realize it was an old game until somebody told me.

Flatcap: Oh yeah. That's old.

JUSJAYD: And I've met like several new people just cause I was playing that game and they were the ones that were watching. And now like, Oh, do you need this here? Let me get in game and send you this. I'm like, I've never had that in any other game where somebody that doesn't know me gets in a game and just gives me stuff.

Flatcap: Yeah, that's cool. I've, I've heard of, I've heard of that in other games where people will do that past you things. I've also heard of games where they're really, no, you can't do that. It's cheating to give people stuff. And, and they're worried about those kinds of things because, you know, people will do those kinds of things and, and cheat the game. But I love, I love community aspect of things when people care for one another because they're passionate about something and they see that you find joy in the same thing. Why would I not help you in that way? You know, there's just a, a love of camaraderie around a passion that you overlap with other people. It's like, yeah, I want to, I want to bless you and help you as well. And that doesn't have to just be in the Christian community either.

Flatcap: That is the gaming community as well that wanted to do that for other people and, and even help out. So have you had any other instances of, of something like that, where outside of game, like maybe somebody saw you needed some assistance with tech and, and, and said, Hey, I can help you out with that or, or some software, anything like that.

JUSJAYD: Um, actually, no, I'm a very big tech nerd.

Flatcap: Okay.

JUSJAYD: I, uh, there's a story kind of funny. My parents told me about it. I was about seven years old. I took apart the entire TV remote back then, TV remotes, old TVs back in the eighties. They were massive. So I took about the whole TV remote completely apart, put it back together. It still functioned as if it was brand new and I had parts left over. Oh, eight years, seven, eight years old. Don't know how I did that. But I, like, like I said, I'm a huge tech nerd. I have smart phones, smart doorbells, everything in my house. I got the lights above me are, are color changing smart lights. I actually have a whole display case to my left that is all smart lights. So it's as far as streaming, I've never had to have anybody's tech help really.

Flatcap: That's cool. That's cool. Yeah, I've, I've been working on the, the, uh, upgrade of everything and having things. So, you know, I, I've got lights behind me that are set on fade, but you know, here's my remote for them. How, however, my outdoor lights on my house, every single one of them was a smart bulb that I can control from my phone. And I, I have eight different, um, smart plugs that I can control from my phone and put something on a timer and, and turn it on and off. So actually my, my whole stream set up here has a number of those. So what, what I actually, this, this was really cool when I figured it out. I have a, um, smart, uh, extension cord where you plug everything into. And so if something turns off on it, the master that's not being used, well, then it'll cut the power to everything else in it.

Flatcap: So, so I plug that in to, if the power gets cut there, it runs to another extension cord and everything I plug in there gets cut. And then I've got the power on there. So I just, my, my computer goes to sleep. It cuts off my monitors, it cuts off my lights, it cuts off everything else. All that needs to happen is the computer naturally go to sleep and it cuts the power to everything else. And also my, my heater for my feet is cut off the lights behind me or cut off. Like it just cuts everything. It's like, I don't even have to do anything. My computer just says, yeah, you haven't been here for a while. Let's just cut power to everything.

JUSJAYD: That's, that was a cool feature.

Flatcap: Yeah. That was, that was fun figuring it out, setting it up, being able to put all that together. But I also have decided every single thing in my house, I put lights at the end of it. So if I've just don't want to go look at the app, I just holler to Google. Hey, Google turned lights off. Every single thing in my house gets shut off because it's got lights in the title of it. Uh, that's a good idea. Controls it. Yeah. It'll say soft 19 lights or something like that.

JUSJAYD: You're like, okay. Yeah. And then it's just happened. One of them malfunctions and you have that one light that's still on.

Flatcap: Yeah. Yeah. Don't, we're not going there. Yeah. Yeah. Or the, or the fact that I had to put. A wifi hotspot in my garage so that I could reach light bulbs. There's no function. I mean, I mean, I guess I could use wifi in the garage, but you know, it's, it's put it there just so that the garage lights will turn on and connect to the rest of the network. Yeah. Yeah.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. I, for a while I had the lights just like you in the background where I needed a remote or an app on my phone and only connected to those lights, but my office, which I actually just finished last weekend, I just added those lights. I never had any, these lights in my house and they're color changing. So, uh, what I did was actually have channel point redemptions on stream where the lights will do different things. And I was streaming the other night actually, and somebody triggered the thunderstorm. So it looks like lightning in here.

Flatcap: Oh, nice.

JUSJAYD: It goes for about like 20 seconds and then all the lights shut off for about 10 seconds. And then they come back on, I sat here and I'm like, it'd be really cool to play a thunderstorm sound while that was going off. So I just added that last night. So the next stream, when somebody uses channel point to, for a thunderstorm, it'll, it'll be more immersive.

Flatcap: Yeah. Yeah. That'll, that'll be a goal for me next year. I think is to try to get the interactive lights for, you know, cause I could get Lumia and get lights at work with Lumia and do all of that so that I can, I can have the channel or the stream control it. I mean, I've, I've known that's possible for, you know, since I've been on Twitch, but it's just like, yeah, that's just not the first thing I want to do, which also would be really funny. Like, I don't need you changing the lights and doing that in the middle of a podcast or in the middle of a Bible study. You know, it's not right. It's not the stream for those kinds of things, but yet I still want to do it. Not probably not the thunderstorm redeem, but just the change the color, you know?

JUSJAYD: Yeah. Maybe like on your, yeah, your hat display in the back, change those to go V rope lights. And people can just change the lights back there.

Flatcap: Yeah. That's what I need to do. Cause the one I have doesn't work with any, any remote controls. It's just the actual remote. So I can't connect it to anything else, but I, I think that idea is pretty cool to add more features for interaction with stuff, which if you're on, if you're on the watch in the VOD later, you get no participation in that.

JUSJAYD: Nope.

Flatcap: I'm just going to go on a, like, I like going on side tangents, you know, you hang out on my stream. I've been, I've been, I just finished working. I got my rough draft done of an article of how to help churches who have gone to live streaming, figure out to, to have their, the people watching at home, be participants instead of spectators. And I also, I'm thinking, wow, what if there was just a light that they could control that was up on stage or something, or you let them control which camera was, was going to be, you know, shown. Yeah. It changes his voice in the background. Yeah. It changes the background's lights. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, wow. What if I didn't write that in my article? I don't think that's one that most churches would do.

Flatcap: I think I'd have to experiment it with a church I worked at and, and see if it worked, but what if there was, I think the camera angle might be a fun one. If rather than the, the sound, you know, the stage person in the back doing it, cause I have that set up on my fish tanks where you can change scenes.

JUSJAYD: Great.

Flatcap: What if, what if like, I just want to see the church I was watching on Sunday had a cello as part of their, their, their, their worship music for Sunday. They had the, the grand piano and a cello. And, and then that was just the music before they even got to the, the prelude to start the worship. Then they had a guitar as well and a singer. So, but I'm like, man, on that cello, I would have just loved to zoom in and have the cello only on part of it. And somebody else could fight me and do the wide zoom and you go back and forth and make it interactive.

JUSJAYD: That would be cool. That would be cool. The, the church I go to does live streams on YouTube and it's not as interactive, but they do actually talk to the people that talk in chat on YouTube.

Flatcap: Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's, that's one of the number one things and number one, easy things to do is get a mod that interacts with the chat. I mean, that's, that is the number one thing and it's not hard to be able to do. So anyway, I'm thinking through that. And it was just talking about that. I'm like, wow, that's something like really adapting Twitch interaction into a service. And maybe you only do, you don't do it during the sermon. Maybe you only do it during the, the music portion of it that you can control things. But during the sermon, like, no, we, we're going to cut this the way we want. We're not going to do it, but it would still be cool. Like I want to see the guitar. I want to see the drum. I want to see the, you know, the soloist for, for a minute. And you, you get to control it for 20, 30 seconds. And then it goes, it goes, somebody else gets to do it.

Flatcap: Someone else gets to do it. Or it goes back to the main stage. Uh, well, I'm just planning this out. Like this sounds really cool.

JUSJAYD: Um, yeah, it does. And you get, you can have your, whatever bot that's helping you control the interactions. You can have it to where once worship hour or, or whatever stops and sermon start, you shut that off.

Flatcap: Oh yeah.

JUSJAYD: That way, even if somebody does go do it, it doesn't react.

Flatcap: Yeah.

JUSJAYD: It just says, nope, sorry.

Flatcap: Yeah. Well, and you, you know, you can set the number of, uh, redeems or the cool downs and those kinds of things. So, uh, I, I didn't think we're going to just like, you're, you're a tech guy. So we're just all this on this tech stuff and, and going to that direction. That's pretty cool. So when, when did you first begin to run into Christians in the, in the online Twitch space? And what was, what, what, what was your reaction to that? Or did you first make a decision to intentionally be faith forward in your streams in any way before running into other people that were doing it?

JUSJAYD: So this little bit of a story, it's actually part of my testimony. Oh, awesome. Love that. I wasn't always a Christian streamer. I've been a Christian all my life. I actually grew up Catholic. As I got older, I became more Christian, especially with my wife. But when I started streaming, I didn't label myself as a Christian, but my, my, actually, my, my username was completely different. It was, uh, voodoo, which was kind of homage to where I lived because we had an arena team. The arena team was the voodoo. So that's how, that was my whole brand back then. And then for whatever reason in 2023, I, I just changed it to JUSJAYD. Cause I said, you know, that's more me cause it's literally my initials. And then in 2024, I had some real big health scares that changed my life, put me in the direction that I am. And it was at that moment that I said, you know what, I'm coming out.

JUSJAYD: Hey guys, I am a Christian and that's how I'm going to run my channel, my brand, everything. So, but I started watching Christian streamers back in 2023 because like I said, I found Crossing Tommy and Tommy and, uh, I like, I enjoyed just watching and listening and interacting with other people who were of my faith. And since then I have followed and watched more and more Christian streamers than I ever have in my entire life.

Flatcap: Well, and I, I think they've also been multiplying and to begin with Twitch did not allow religious. So it's not just Christian streamers. They didn't allow any religious denotation on it. I mean, why would they, they're a gaming platform. So until something becomes consistent enough that people are searching for it, they're not going to create it. So, you know, that's where the just chatting was a category that became popular. Well, that's easy to, you know, to put out there people doing stuff. IRL becomes a thing. You put it out there. Art becomes a thing. You know, DJs becomes a thing. You, you dig into it. So it's not until there was. Critical mass of people doing religious material or sharing their faith, regardless of Christian or otherwise, that it needs to be a label for us to find or for them to keep you on the platform by having you be able to be searchable.

JUSJAYD: Right.

Flatcap: So.

JUSJAYD: Lucius, Lucius brought, somebody brought up, or maybe you did, about DJing. I, that was some of my streams back when I was reading it too. I did four, six hour DJ streams because I DJed for 20 years.

Flatcap: So, so JD DJ.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. Not anymore. Now, like I said, since I've grown more into my faith, I've actually gone pretty much away from secular music. A hundred percent. So DJing, I'm like, you know what? That's a lot of music I don't care to listen to. So I'm not going to DJ anymore.

Flatcap: Well, there's, there's a number of Christian DJs that are out there. Yeah. And there's a couple of groups of, of them too, that get together and do some things. Boy, I'm blanking. We just had DJ Soda, but that's not who I'm thinking of. He, he, he does do some AI music and things. And maybe he was a DJ back in, in the day and stuff, but I don't, I haven't seen him do any DJ things on stream. One reason. One reason. Yeah. One reason does stuff. He also does things IRL would teaching young kids how to be a DJ, which I find fantastic. The, the giving it back. Yeah. What Luce is the saying? One reason. Yeah. That you're, that's who I was trying to think of.

JUSJAYD: Passing on his craft.

Flatcap: Exactly. Passing it on to the next generation, inspiring them. And we've, we've had a couple of, uh, we've had DJ courageous also on the podcast. So.

JUSJAYD: Mm-hmm. And I think DJ courageous is a, a, a streamer I'll watch. It's he's actually Christian. He only plays Christian music when he DJs. Yeah. So that's another one.

Flatcap: Yeah. One reason is usually all gospel. He's doing gospel takeover. So I love the atmosphere and I love going over and hanging out with him. It's like, it's not my style for the most part. It's still a good time. It's still entertaining. Exactly. And, and the community is fantastic over there.

JUSJAYD: Yeah, it is. I've watched them a couple of times.

Flatcap: Yeah.

JUSJAYD: I actually think I found him when you rated the end.

Flatcap: Oh, probably. I, I rate, I, there's a, there's a, you know, a dozen or so people that get rated regularly by me just because I love the crossover of the community and I love supporting other people that, that, uh, that we know. And then there's a bunch of people that are in my stream. It's like, you're not on at the same time of day. I am. And then, and I'm not on at the same time you are. So we can't rate each other. So those, whenever I see one of those people that's like, you're on at this time of day, boy, I get excited. I get to rate you. This is super cool.

JUSJAYD: Right.

Flatcap: Or, or they're doing a, you know, a 24 hour rate, a thing and they're participating. And then they'll, they'll come to me like, what are you doing? Why were you up before me? That's, that's not what, that's not when you're on, you know, you don't need to be on now. So now, but so what have been some of the, the difficulties that you have run into being a Twitch streamer? It can be stuff from stream. It can be tech things. Now you've already said you're the tech expert, so probably no tech issues, but it could also be just like life getting in the way of things. What, what have been some, some issues, some struggles that you faced?

JUSJAYD: So I have faced some tech issues, especially because of a computer just now wanting to work, right? I've been in the middle of the stream where my graphics card just decided, you know what? I quit. And it just shuts completely down. I'm like, well, I guess I'm not streaming no more. No. I've run into that issue a couple of times, but since I've upgraded my computer, not an issue. The biggest issues I've run into is life with, you know, schedule with things with my wife, with her health, with family stuff. It's, you try to be consistent and things just get in the way in IRL. And I've always told my community, family comes first, a hundred percent. Don't complain. Don't come to me and say, oh, I'm so sorry, Mr. Stream, such as I tell them, I don't care if you aren't my stream. I just want to make sure you're okay. And what you're handling is priority.

JUSJAYD: I'm second priority, but yeah, most of the stuff I run into is just IRL stuff that keeps me inconsistent.

Flatcap: One of the things that I think far too many people in ministry do not do is set their priorities well. They think ministry is always the priority over everything else. And it takes, I think, a level of maturity to understand that's not always the case. In a lot of places, you're right, you want to have that be a priority. However, one of the things that, you know, when I started seminary, they talked about is do not graduate and get divorce papers in the same week. Okay. You were married before coming to seminary. That is a relationship that needs to last. You need that with you to last. So do not neglect that relationship for the sake of studying scripture. You will have the rest of your life to study scripture. You will never have enough time to study scripture. The other thing is you're in a luxury right now of the capacity to study scripture 40 hours a week.

Flatcap: You'll never have that when you get into ministry. So don't neglect your family now. You will always neglect your family if you neglect it now. So those kinds of things, yeah, family does need to be a priority. However, it becomes so easy at times to, and I did this too, of being home with family for Christmas vacation and somebody passes away. Well, we don't have any real plans. The Christmas is over. We were just going to hang out for another three days. I just want to go home and do the funeral and, and go do that. So after a couple of events like that, my wife was like, you know, you're robbing your kids of the time that they have here. We need to figure out a different way to do vacation where you can't leave and go back. So we go on cruises and, and, and we go to, you know, Cancun because I can't leave. I'm on a boat. I'm, I'm, I'm too cheap to pay to come back to do your funeral.

Flatcap: If that's what's it, or grandma goes into the hospital and she, she needs someone to come pray with her. I'm a, I can pray remotely. I can pray over the phone or I can just tell you I'm praying, but I'm not getting on a, on a flight. Uh, you know, when it stops in the next stop and coming back, it's just, it's just not the way it works. They don't let you, unless you have the emergency. So exactly. But it's so easy. So I think what you're doing is also modeling for your community, the priority of family, the priority of relationships that are essential in life over other relationships. Doesn't mean they're, they're, they're bad. I mean, I I've got mods hanging out in the chat. I love my relationship with Luce's.

Flatcap: I love that we're building that relationship and we're going to get to get together in a couple of weeks at reach conference and, and see each other again and actually have longer conversations. And we've, we've been able to have for a while. I can't wait for that, but, uh, that does not mean Luce's is a higher priority than my wife. If my wife needs, she's, she's high priority there. Other people that come into chat have different levels of priority. Luce's has a higher one. We have a deeper relationship.

JUSJAYD: Right. I reach is one of those things you're talking about reach that I'd love to go to. And you talk about priorities, but it's always the same exact week as my wedding anniversary. So wife is priority over reach. And I've had so many people will bring your wife. No, not on anniversary.

Flatcap: No, no, no. If, if she was a streamer, if she was part of your community and she wanted to go, yes. Otherwise, no, unless she decides to give it to you as an anniversary gift, like, like she could, I'm not, I'm not suggesting she does that. I'm just saying that would be the place where it's appropriate, but otherwise, yeah, no, uh, don't neglect the relationship for the sake of something else. I mean, you know, one of the beautiful things with getting together in person with people is the diving deeper in relationship with people. You already have a great relationship. It's right. It really, in some ways, even if it's the first time you meet a person in person, it's like meeting an old friend and you're just catching up with them. It's, it's just so cool.

JUSJAYD: You're like, man, I haven't seen you in a while. How you been that type of relationship? Yeah. The funny thing is this year we will be in Orlando during reach. We're just not going to be at reach.

Flatcap: Just, just aside. And it's like, are you going to be there earlier than reach? Like the whole week?

JUSJAYD: On his reach again. I don't remember the exact dates.

Flatcap: It's Thursday, Friday, Saturday, like five, six, and seven of November.

JUSJAYD: We'll be there in Orlando, those exact dates. Okay. Okay. We'll just be busy doing something else.

Flatcap: Yeah. Well, I was, cause I was just saying if you were there Monday, Tuesday before it started and, and you're around and we just wanted to meet up for lunch if it worked.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. We are going to be there Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

Flatcap: Okay. Okay.

JUSJAYD: Well, Sunday, we're actually going to be leaving, coming back home.

Flatcap: Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm sticking around until Monday before I come home. So I will be in Orlando Monday to Monday is what I'm doing. So.

JUSJAYD: Yeah.

Flatcap: But what, what have, what have, what have been some of the best relationships that you've developed as a Twitch streamer with, with people in your chat, whether they were even a short term, but it was just an impactful relationship, even if it didn't continue, or if it's one that's an ongoing relationship that you've had for a long, what has been some key relationships you've developed from being on Twitch?

JUSJAYD: I've had quite a few. Some of them is just like the seasons, they're there for a reason, then they're gone. But I've had a few that for whatever reason, even though we don't really talk that much, it's somebody that when I see them or, or when I talk to them, especially when they're streaming, it's like, Hey, how are you? It's like, Hey, I'm with you. I'm a hundred percent back you. It's a relationship I would never want to lose. In fact, it's probably a relationship I would probably build on if I, if I went to reach because she goes to reach all the time. But I've had plenty of people where I've met them just from me streaming and it's bundled into like for a friendship. I have their phone numbers. They have my phone number. We can call whenever you need something. I actually, uh, I have one, one of my mods. We both have his phone numbers.

JUSJAYD: And my whole stream, my whole thing, even from the early ages, my mission was to inspire hope in everybody. Even before I came out of being a Christian, my mission was inspire hope, mental health. And this guy, he's had a lot of troubled past. And I told him, here's my phone number. If you need somebody to reach out to call me, doesn't matter what time I'll answer. And the great thing about that relationship I have with him is I got into a wreck on the way home from work a year ago and I was supposed to stream. I texted him on the scene and said, Hey, let everybody know in discord, wherever I've been in an accident. No stream tonight. He did it. Yeah. It was fantastic. And he's always checking on me. And that's a relationship. Even in my personal life, I don't have that many friends that do that period.

JUSJAYD: So to have somebody that I met strictly through streaming to be there like that is one of the greatest things to ever feel. Yeah.

Flatcap: Yeah. The, the reciprocation of he checks in on you, you check in on him, you're in an accident and you're immediately thinking about, I need to inform the community. And how do I do that? He's the key person that I'm going to connect with. Uh, cause he's going to be enthusiastic, uh, about sharing this and, uh, and helping out. Like, yeah, that, that I, I always loved the idea of being the, uh, the 3am phone call for people. Like even before being a pastor, like I, I had friends, I, I was the 3am phone call. I, I like you're in trouble, you know, I'm, I'm going to say yes to whatever it is. I'm, I'm not going to turn, let you down. I'm not going to say, well, it's too far or, you know, it's too much. It's going to be sure. What do I have to do? But, uh, the funny thing was, is it was a whole lot easier to be that for a lot of people than to let someone else be that for you.

Flatcap: So I love that you have, I love that you have that both ways with him.

JUSJAYD: And it's like, like you said, it's harder for somebody led to be that for you. It took me, it took a lot for me just to get to that point. Cause like I said, I don't personally have a whole lot of friends in my life just cause I don't trust a whole lot of people. And I think the only real friend I have, I've, I've known him since I was 10. So he's literally like a brother. So he's not even really a friend anymore. He's a brother. He's family. And he considers that with me real too. Like when I move, he's the first person to call. Hey, I'm moving. I need you out. Okay. Sure. No problem.

Flatcap: Yeah. Great. Yeah. Well, like I say, back in college, I was the friend that everybody called me for help because my dad had the pickup truck and the trailer. I had a, I want to say 17 foot trailer. So yeah. Yeah. I got a pickup truck and a 17 foot trailer. Yeah. Everybody knows. And they call me and like, yeah, I don't care. Let's do it. And that, and that's so interesting. I'm just like reflecting on that kind of camaraderie. And it's like, you know, I don't know if I've had that other than since then. Um, you know, and those are a lot of relationships that you built in high school over years or into college. They continued or new ones that were just as deep.

Flatcap: I don't think I've had that other than, than being in streaming where now distance wise, I'm, I'm too difficult or too far away to be that reliable person that can jump on, you know, in a car and show up to, to help you with something. But I would love to, and I know other people would, but if it comes to stuff on stream, it comes to tech issues, boy, I have no end to the number of people I go, here's, here's what I'm struggling with. Can someone help and, and, and jump in and, and even earlier, and I wish it would have worked out. It didn't. I was saying, I'd, I'd love to have someone help me, uh, to be able to line up guests for my podcast. And you jumped up and said, Hey, let me help with that. And then, and then you, you, you had some, you know, off camera issues to deal with. And you're like, I thought I could do this.

Flatcap: It's, it's going to have to be a back burner thing, but I love the, the, that camaraderie of, of jumping in back and forth. I love also, and, and I think Jeff is appreciating this too, that you're usually one of the first people every day that says hello and TCD and, and how you do it. And some of my other channels, there's the same, there's the same people every day that jump in and say hello. And yeah, it's not that you, I hope you don't feel this. Uh, it's not that everybody always replies, but I bet there's a lot more people that love seeing it. Even if they don't give you a thumbs up alike or reply in any way to those posts. And yesterday was a lot of fun because Jeff beat you there and that he was giving you a hard time. And then, and then I was just enjoying the, the, the gifts and I'm like, Hey, let's just see how many gifts we can get before, before noon West coast.

Flatcap: And, and I think we made it to 16 gifts that people, uh, post in there. Some of us a couple of times, but right. It was, it was kind of a fun thing all based off of you just show up every day and, and you say good morning. And that became something yesterday that was really kind of funny.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. As long as I've been on discord, I've always gone to every single community and typed. Sometimes it depends on how many different discords you have with me. Every discord is a different message, but I've had quite a few people that have told me you have made my day just by saying good morning, every single morning. I'm like, well, that's all I'm here to do. It's just change your day. And I love the, I love the camaraderie with Jeff. I get a crack out of, Hey, I beat you to it. Like, well, you know, a little bit more to do than hop in on discord first thing.

Flatcap: Well, I'll, I'll tell you the other thing, the little, the other thing you might not know if Jeff beat you to it, he probably has been up all night. He's probably been up all night, using AI, building something, doing something. He couldn't sleep and he'll probably be crashing after he says good morning. So.

JUSJAYD: Makes sense.

Flatcap: So we've kind of gone in the direction of, of some relationships. Have there been any other, just like really things that have blessed you as a streamer, something that happened, a story of what, what's happened to someone else?

JUSJAYD: I would say what's blessed me as my, as a streamer, as my wife. Um, I, there's been several times with streaming where I said, you know what? I'm not enjoying this anymore. I'm going to quit. And she is literally supportive. Even though she, she's not a gamer. She doesn't watch streams, nothing. I wouldn't be streaming if it wasn't for her. Cause I would tell her, you know, I don't feel like, don't she's like, well, you know, if it's not something you don't want to do anymore, then don't do it. And it's just that little bit that she tells me, it kind of pops in my head. Well, you know, I do enjoy it. I do enjoy changing people's lives. So maybe I will still, still do it. Cause even as far as when I was, when I told you, you're not, Hey, I'd love helping you, but I can't because of things going around in my life. I was, I've actually announced, Hey, I'm done.

JUSJAYD: I'm not, not streaming anymore. This is the last date. And when I started to build, when I had the opportunity to build my office, I called the studio, it kind of gave me a renewed spirit of, of wanting to stream again. And I literally owe that to my wife because she pretty much said, okay, what do you want in your office? Is this what you want? You sure? Do you want something else? If you want something else, I'm going to know we'll get it. And it's like one of those things where it just makes me feel happy. I posted on Twitter a couple of days ago, the finished picture of the office that said, I have found my peace. So now my office, because of her is when I'm having a rough day, it's my place of peace. I could turn the computer off, turn everything off, just sit on my sofa in my office and just find my calm. And so, like I said, it is because of her that I continue to stream.

Flatcap: Yeah. I'm going to have to get over there and see a picture of that. That, that sounds fantastic.

JUSJAYD: You could actually see it live right now on my stream.

Flatcap: Okay. Well, I'll, I'll, I'll have to pull that up after I get you another question. I'll go, I'll go try to find that. And you know what? I'll do it on my phone. That way it doesn't end up running anything in the background there, but it's, it is so true. I love it. You're like, your wife is supportive of what you were doing. No doubt there's a level of which she understands and sees two things I would say, and maybe there's more, but you are a better spouse. You're fulfilled by serving other people. And this is a way you do it. And she can see what it does for you. So she wants to be supportive of that. And probably also there's, there's a level at which she knows you love gaming. And so to be in that realm and, and to be supportive and say, what, what is it that can help you? I don't want you to, to give that up because what are you going to replace it with? Right.

Flatcap: You know, that might not be her thinking of what do you replace it? I'm just thinking that too. Like, you know, I know you love it. So I don't want you to have to be, have nothing. So go, go do that. We're talking earlier. You don't, you don't love watching TV. You, so you like gaming. So here's a place where you can go and be engaged and do those things. So that's, yeah, there, there's not much better than having a supportive wife. My, my, my wife also is very supportive. She, she can, she can tell just how energized I get. Like at times I'll, I'll, I'll get done with it. Like we'll get done with this podcast. Like if, if we go late enough, she'll know I'm not going to bed. Even if it's bedtime, like she'll just know, like you are, you are just so hyper right now. You just had a great three hour conversation. You're no, there's no way you're ready for bed. Like, right.

Flatcap: You, you need an hour plus to decompress from just the excitement and the fun that you just had. Before you can lay down. Right. And what was, what was really funny is so like upstairs, our bedrooms right above, above where I am, but I'm loud and my voice carries. And so the living room is not far from it. And, uh, I was, I was doing an interview with a, with a church last night and she was like, it sounded like you were on your podcast. I go, man, it was so much fun. I was, I was just asking questions and engaging and doing some other stuff, getting to know them. And then from what I did know, engaging in other stuff, I was like, man, it was just like hanging out with people I knew. And, and that was really, really a cool thing, which doesn't always happen in an interview. So yeah, it was, it was a blast being able to do that.

Flatcap: And yeah, it felt, if I had that feel of it, it's like, so I'm really praying and hoping that that things might go forward with that church. And, uh, that might be where God's calling me. But if not, I know he's got an even better place. Right. All right. I'm just trying to peek here. Oh, I got to add. God, I got to add, of course, see your couch, of course, pre-rolls. Yeah, I have no issue with pre-rolls. Pre-rolls are kind of nice. You just get it done and out of the way.

JUSJAYD: My problem is, is I've always found, especially since Twitch has been integrated with ads, they tell you, Hey, run such as such and such as you won't get pre-rolls. You still do. You still do. Cause I have, he doesn't talk much, but I have a cousin who always watches. He doesn't talk much cause he lives in Japan. But he'll tell me every now and then, even when I had it set for three minutes per hour, he would get pre-rolls as soon as he got into my stream. Like, well, that's weird because it's disabled.

Flatcap: Yeah. Well, and I get the notice after an ad that says pre-rolls are disabled for the next 40 minutes. So yeah, I don't know. I, I don't, I mean, it works. It doesn't work. I don't really know. I, I don't run. Other than pre-roll ads, I don't run anything on the church digital here. The way I, because frankly, I'm more interested in you here in the conversation and hanging out than missing it. Because man, if we're in the middle of a piece that's testimony that you need to hear, I don't think you need to pay for that. And while I do run ads on, on my studying the Bible, I just stop and don't do the Bible while the ads are rolling. So the good, the good thing there, I use it to give me a break from being the, the one person talking constantly. So, so I like, I do that. I also need to get up and stretch and do those things. I know other people will have redeems for that.

Flatcap: I've chosen to not do those. I'm like, no, I'll just do it on my own. Maybe, maybe that's a little bit of arrogance on my part as I don't like people telling me what to do. And I like, my, my wife has the, the watch that tells her to get up and move. And she hand me down her old one to me. I, I had it for about three hours and I was done with it. Like quit telling me what to do. You're supposed to just measure what I do. You don't tell me what to do. I took it off. Like I'm done with that. I can't, I can't have that.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. I have one of those watches and it's funny is that I will get the alert. That says time to stand up. And I had just sat down. I'm like, what do you mean it's time to stand up? I just sat down. I was literally just standing. Oh no. Do you not pay attention? It's even funnier that, like I said, it'll, it'll alert you to stand up. I have a standing desk. Oh. And so I'll stand, like I said, I've been standing the whole time. I was like, you know what? Time to sit down. I've been standing for eight hours. Press the button. It says, oh, time to stand up. No, I was standing up for eight hours. Where were you?

Flatcap: Oh, that's so funny. Uh, but yeah, that's, see, that's, yeah, no, that's less. Maybe I just have an issue with notifications and stuff too. It's, it's just everything trying to tell me about something else and doing that. There's no relationship in that. And maybe that's part of what it is too. It just feels like you, you're not paying attention. You're, you're not robotic. Well, yeah, it definitely is robotic, but I mean, in some ways you lose the interaction of things in ways, there's no measurement of that, which, man, that's, I think that's one of the, uh, the beautiful things that you have with the, with live streaming is it can go in any direction. It can be moved by the interaction of the real time things that are happening in there. By the way, I did pull up your stream, got to see the couch and, and everything. I haven't been on your stream in a while.

Flatcap: Like, cause you're usually on later and I'm usually, I'm off the computer at that point of the day.

JUSJAYD: So, uh, but look, I mean, there was a time where I was streaming in the morning and at lunchtime because that's what my work schedule allowed me to do. I'm like, Oh, cool. I can do it whenever I want. But with my work schedule now, it's like, I'm going to have to wait till I'm finished working. There's no other way around it, but it still works. Cause I still get my time with my wife.

Flatcap: Well, the, yeah, if that's, if that's when you get it, that's fantastic to work those things out. That's where for the other part, I only, I only give up so many evenings a week as well because that's time with my wife. So, right. I'm, I'm not going to spend or give up time with my wife to go watch other streamers. I would love to, but I save that from when my wife's out of town, but I get to go hang out in the evening and watch streams and, and see, see a bunch of friends. And do those things.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. I do set aside days of the week where I tell people no streams. I'm not going to be on discord after this time. I'm not going to be on socials. That's wife time. And every now and then she's, she would be like, are you going to stay up late? I'm like, what do you mean? She'll, you're not going to stay up late and play games? I'm like, well, I guess so. Since you told me to, but I like to spend time with my wife. It's funny as I had a work trip last week and we've talked about my wife the entire time because I have never been separated from my wife for more than two days. Oh, really? 21 years. So last week was an entire week. And literally that's all we talked about. I'm like, you know, my wife and I are around each other 24 seven. Unless I'm out of town for work, we're running each other 24 seven. So maybe my office is by a little bit of break from her.

Flatcap: Wow. That's I'm just thinking about that. I'm like, man, I've had so many occasions where I have, I have been weeks, uh, you know, where I've, I've not been home. Like I, you know, go on a mission trip and my wife doesn't come along with, and it might be a 10 day, 12 day trip. I'm, I'm going to be on a stretch here coming up where I'll be at my mom's house for about five, six days. My wife won't be there. I go to my mom's house regularly do work for her and I'll be gone a week, 10 days sometimes, but I'll cut back. Then we'll go on vacation. Then I'll be at reach conference for a week. I'll come home, change bags, and I'll go to a, another conference for about three days. So in, in the next month I will have a solid week vacation with my wife and a few other days that I'll see her and the rest of me will be away from each other. So, yeah, but we, we've, we've done that for a long time.

Flatcap: We've, we've not, we've had those away so I can see where it's like, oh, this is different. This is, this is not what you normally do. Right. We, we even had the contemplation a couple of times. Oh, actually, you know what? Probably the longest, probably the longest is when we, we, we moved to seminary. So we were selling the house. We didn't need to be there till fall. Um, and the kids had school. So, so they couldn't, couldn't leave and go anywhere. And I think it was Memorial day. My wife got a job offer. So it was, it was during that weekend. So probably Friday, I think she got the call before the end of the day. Hey, got a job offer for you. Can you start Tuesday? And we're like, yeah, uh, I think we could do that. So, uh, she, her sister lived in the area. So she went, moved in with her sister and she was there for a month house shopping, trying to find us a house to buy.

Flatcap: And then flew back home when we had a house and then we drove down there together. So that, that might've been, I don't know, about 45 days that, that we were apart. Maybe it might've been longer. I was a long time ago. I don't remember. I was, uh, I don't know, 25, 26, yeah. 25 years ago, something like that.

JUSJAYD: Yeah.

Flatcap: So yeah.

JUSJAYD: Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to make it work.

Flatcap: Yeah. The, uh, there was a whole bunch of funniness to that story. I could, I could tell you like, like the fact that, uh, my, my wife, uh, drove the U-Haul for the first time in her life. She, cause she wouldn't drive the, the vehicle that had the trailer. So she drove the U-Haul. There is, there's a lot of, a lot of fun like that. Or we, we got to, uh, we, we got to Texas and the same way we got there, the AC died.

JUSJAYD: Ooh. Yeah. Not in Texas.

Flatcap: Welcome to Texas. You have no AC, which, which led to my very first, uh, eBay purchase of a sun roof. I, the sun, I, I, and I, I used a jigsaw and I cut out the template and I, and I put the sun roof in so I could just open it up and let the heat out of the car. That's, that's how I, that's how I fix the problem.

JUSJAYD: I, you had to do it sometimes.

Flatcap: I love, I love funny. Like, oh, that reminds me of like, like, I don't even know the last time I even told that story of like, it just all of a sudden comes to mind. It's like, yeah, you want to, you want a weird story? Here's a weird story.

JUSJAYD: Here's this weird story.

Flatcap: Here's this weird story. Yeah.

JUSJAYD: Look, it's those stories that make memories.

Flatcap: Oh, that, that is definitely a memory there of boy taking three kids, U-Haul, 18 hour something drive one day to get to Oklahoma and then whatever it was left from Oklahoma on down, trying to beat thunderstorms that were coming across the country. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's things like that, that, that happened in your life, but it's interesting. Like you can have some of those same kind of stories engaged around relationships online as well.

JUSJAYD: Yeah, you can.

Flatcap: Do you have any cool stories like that from online community?

JUSJAYD: No, not really. Most of my communities that I've been in have been just kind of relaxed type thing. Nothing fun. I mean, I guess you could say we've had some fun times with community game nights where we've been up till three in the morning playing video games with each other or watching wrestling. Those are always fun, but it goes back to the story of, you know, people are in your life for a season. I no longer talk to those people. I don't even, honestly, I don't know what they're doing. But those were fun memories where my wife would yell at me, you're still up at three o'clock in the morning playing games. Yeah. I mean, it's the weekend. What else I'm going to do? But no, nothing real crazy stories. My life, my personal life is crazy, but as far as the whole community of streaming and online, nothing crazy. Just enjoying each other's company.

Flatcap: Do you have any, any, well, do you have any stories of impacting? Someone for Christ as you've been streaming? Because you said you want to bring hope to people. Do you have any stories where either you brought, gave them hope in the middle of a trial that they were facing or, you know, sharing Jesus with them? Do you have any stories like that?

JUSJAYD: I have one. He is, like I said, he's, he's the mod that I can call at any time. He is, he's actually older than me. I didn't realize it until like months into talking to him, but he is a guy and he still struggles. He struggles a lot with his mental health. I won't tell his whole backstory, but just him knowing me and trying to, to, you know, give hope in his life, he's still here. He has been on that edge of no longer being on the planet a couple of times, but because of knowing me, he's, he's decided to step away from that ledge a few times because of me. Yeah. Um, cause I've inspired hope in his life and I've always preaching to my community, just like a lot of Christian streamers and Christian communities do is you don't have to be a Christian to be in my community, but I'm a Christian and he knows that.

JUSJAYD: And, um, I, I pray for him every day and I think that's whether he knows or not to made an impact in his life. He, he comes to me when things in his life are going downhill, when something in his life is like, Hey, look, this person is doing this. And I tell him, okay, they're going on my prayer list. No questions asked, going on my prayer list. And I'll reach out to him and say, Hey, how's this person doing? And he'll tell me, I'll say, okay, they're going to stay on my prayer list until everything's all better. And even sometimes it's whether that person's in a better shape now, I'm still praying for him because that's what I have been always taught to do is pray regardless. But, um, yeah, I would say if any, that I know of, he is the one person that I've changed his life just by knowing me and being in my community. And that is one outside of my wife, probably why I'm still streaming.

Flatcap: Yeah.

JUSJAYD: Because I've touched one life.

Flatcap: Yeah. And I was just going to, I was just going to reinforce that. What influence community, gaming community, Twitch community, social media community says is you need to be viral and you need to be seen by millions of people, but seen by millions of people doesn't necessarily make a kingdom impact. Being, being personal and relational with a person in depth that you are touching base in life daily again and again and again, that's impactful. And if that's one person, maybe that's all you're supposed to reach. Right. It doesn't, one doesn't mean failure. One and faithfulness equals kingdom success.

JUSJAYD: And the one thing I always think about is how many people have I impacted and just, they're not, don't want to come forward. They just want to keep it to themselves, but because of me, their lives are a little bit better. Maybe, maybe like, like Jeff, maybe the whole thing when I do mornings every day, I am changing somebody's day just by saying, Hey, good morning. Saying morning has changed their day.

Flatcap: Yeah. The, the impact that we have, we may never know. And if we're living for what we know it, which is so easy to do. So, so yeah, it's really easy to let, you know, let me turn over here. Let me look at the numbers of how many people are in the stream right now. I, if I turn over here, I'll be able to see, yeah, there's how many we have and, oh, that's great or, or, or that's horrible or whatever it is, but man, that doesn't tell me any impact. It doesn't, it doesn't show me any lasting impact in anybody's life. Or the other thing I was going to say along with that, it talks about one person plants, another person waters and another person harvests. What if, what if you are the most prolific waterer there is out there? Maybe you're not even planting seeds. You are just constant, vigilant water source, and you'll never see the harvest and you never did the planting.

Flatcap: You're just that faithful waterer that helps the seed get to where it needs to go. Yep. How does anyone ever point to you? They don't.

JUSJAYD: No, they don't.

Flatcap: Yeah.

JUSJAYD: And I think that metaphor of being the water, you're pouring into that, into that seed.

Flatcap: Yeah, exactly.

JUSJAYD: I've always heard, you know, going to church and listening to other pastors pouring into people and that, that's a perfect example.

Flatcap: Yeah.

JUSJAYD: Your water, you're pouring into the seed for them to grow.

Flatcap: Yeah. Cause a dry seed is not going to be active. It, the seed needs water or, or the moisture out of the ground. It'll, it'll, it'll take from there, but a dry seed on itself will do nothing. I actually, I've tried to do something this week. If you've ever done sprouting of seeds and those kinds of things, you can do that before you cook it sometimes, uh, to help it'll add with nutrition and all that. I had some old chickpeas and I've tried to make my own hummus before, but no matter how I cook my chickpeas, I can never get them soft enough to, to, to really actually turn out. So I took, I took my chickpeas, I put them in, in a Mason jar. I put water on them and I was waiting for them to sprout. However, that's not what happened to them. They are bubbling right now. I am fermenting chickpeas. They, they, they went to fermentation.

Flatcap: Like you skipped the sprouting part that I was trying to do. And like, it's frothy the last 24 hours. It's frothy all over. It's foaming up. I have no idea where this experiment is going to go, but I gave them all the water for success to sprout. And they decided to do something entirely different.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. It's, that's hilarious. Like you spent all this time and energy pouring into them, getting them to the stage where you want. And they're like, yeah, no, we're going to do something else.

Flatcap: We're going to do something else. We're going to do something. It could still turn out for good. I don't know what's going to happen. I, I'm not planning to, to make wine out of them. That's one of the things I like, if you, I occasionally talk about on my stream, not all the time. I, I do make my own wine and I am really curious and I do try to experiment and say, will it wine? I actually, in COVID thought about doing that for a channel, will it wine? And then, and then just fermenting stuff to see if it would. So last year I did pumpkin to see if it would turn out as not so good. I did watermelon. I liked the watermelon. The watermelon was really nice. So, so I like those experimentations. I'm not going to try chickpea wine. That that's no, I don't even know how that would taste. I have no idea how it would taste. The concept is bad. So not, not going to go in that direction.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. And that's, I can't even imagine that being a wine.

Flatcap: No, no, it does. It's like, if you wanted to torment somebody, maybe. Hey, try this, try this. Like, oh man, it's fantastic. It is like nothing you've ever had. Mel was thinking beer. Well, yeah, you could, but, but beer is a mash. Yeah. So it's a little bit different. April Fool's gift. There we go. An April Fool's gift. Two, two of the most surprising ones that I've done are going in the realm of doing pepper. So I've done a jalapeno and a habanero wine. And then, and then I've gone in the direction of doing a mushroom wine. The mushroom wine is really, really cool, but you have to think about them in terms of using them for cooking purposes, not in the purposes of drinking.

JUSJAYD: Drinking.

Flatcap: Yeah. So they're, they're, they're great. Like you want to do some pepper steak, you get that habanero wine out, you add it in there. It's going to be fantastic. You want to saute a steak, get the mushroom wine out. Mushroom. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's pretty fun. So you have all the flavor of it and the, you know, the alcohol evaporates off anyway. So.

JUSJAYD: Right. It's a good idea, especially if you like the flavor of peppers and you don't actually like eating the pepper. Yeah. You get the flavor, but not the, the product.

Flatcap: Yeah.

JUSJAYD: Good concept.

Flatcap: Yeah. Well, and some, like I said, some of those were, I want to see if this can happen. And it, it, it happened. It turned out really cool. Mel is saying chickpea coffee was a thing. Do you mean chickpea or chicory? Yeah.

JUSJAYD: Because I know chicory coffee.

Flatcap: Yeah. I know chicory coffee. I don't know chickpea coffee. So.

JUSJAYD: I guess it would depend on the country.

Flatcap: Yeah. It could be, could be. Maybe they, maybe it's a similar kind of idea. With the chickpea instead of the chicory.

JUSJAYD: Mm-hmm. I'm not a fan of hummus chickpea. So I feel like, how's that going to taste?

Flatcap: See, and I, I, I like hummus. I, I, I really like the, and there's so many different ways you can do it. But often, often they'll have one with a red pepper or something like that. That's, that's, that's a nice hummus dip.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. My wife, my wife loves hummus. But she found out she's allergic to chickpea. So she can't have hummus anymore.

Flatcap: Stay away. Stay away.

JUSJAYD: Even, I don't remember what she was looking up. She was looking up something that was canned. She goes, oh, well, I can try this out. And I tell her, I said, you know, that's chickpea, right? She goes, well, never mind.

Flatcap: Yeah. I, I've never even thought of chickpea allergy.

JUSJAYD: Hmm. My wife has these, literally the strangest allergies when it comes to food. And it's funny because she's eaten it for years and they're like, oh, well, you're allergic to this. They're like, well, guess I'm not having that anymore. It's just the weirdest thing. Like for me, talking about food allergies, I, I haven't been diagnosed or tested with it. But every time I eat bread, I cannot breathe out of my nose. My, my, I get stuffed when I eat bread. When I don't eat bread, I can breathe all day long. And my wife is like, like I tell her, I'm like, man, I can't breathe. Something's going on. She's like, what'd you eat today? Like hamburger? Well, maybe it's gluten that you're allergic to, but I eat gluten and other things and I'm fine. So maybe it's something else in the bread that it could, it could be.

Flatcap: I would, I would say to kind of, you know, experiment with that, go in the realm of trying to do some sour bread, sourdough bread, because it's, it's, it has a little bit different mechanism for how it's made. And if you, if you happen to have an Aldi around you, Aldi has some really good sourdough bread that has three ingredients. So you can eliminate all of the other additives and things that are put into bread. I don't know if you have an Aldi around you. There's probably other places that do it, but they, they literally advertise it as three ingredient bread and it's sourdough bread. It's, you know, the sourdough starter, maybe salt and one other ingredient.

JUSJAYD: I don't remember, but there is, I live, I like to tell people I live in the country, but it's country, but it's like suburban country. Cause it's neighborhood, but we don't have every single thing that most places have. And we have probably a million trees around here. So we have, we have our local grocery stores. I think we have one Aldi. Yeah. We just got a Trader Joe's and we have one Whole Foods. So I know Trader Joe's has the, the three ingredient sourdough. Cause I think at one point, Aldi and Trader Joe's were the exact same company. They were owned by the same family.

Flatcap: Yeah. Yeah. One is owned by one brother and the other is owned by the other brother now.

JUSJAYD: Right. Yeah. So they do have similar products. I may have to go look next time I'm going to Trader Joe's and see if they have that sourdough and try it.

Flatcap: Yeah. Well, the Aldi's only been in my town this year. That's when it went up. So I haven't even had the Aldi in town for, for six months, but like, I, like I'm one of those weird people that knew about Aldi way back in the eighties. There was not one in my state. Probably every three months we would get in the car and drive five hours to go to Aldi. And we would load up the back of the van with a canned goods and come home and stock the shelves from Aldi. They didn't even have refrigerated food at that time. Wow. They, they had dry goods so you could get cereal and they had canned goods and that, that was it.

JUSJAYD: That was it.

Flatcap: That was it.

JUSJAYD: I've known about Aldi probably for a while, but where I live, we only in the past five years, Aldi's been popping up and it's, and they've all been buying up like chain grocery stores that have shut down.

Flatcap: Oh, really? Okay.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. Like Winn-Dixie used to be really big down here. Every Winn-Dixie that closed became an Aldi. Okay. Every single one of them. Yeah. Yeah. Even where I am now, where I am now, the Aldi we have is just brand new. It was nothing there before. But every other one in the area or in nearby cities, it was a Winn-Dixie and then it became an Aldi. And there's one that's by my parents' house. Like this has got to be the biggest Aldi because this was a big Winn-Dixie and it's now an Aldi. I'm like, why does it not look as big as the other store?

Flatcap: Well, they probably cut some of the space out. They probably did not keep the whole space. They, they keep a smaller footprint in, in, in, in a lot of places. Yeah.

JUSJAYD: Well, another thing I thought was maybe they, they cut it down for the actual store and the rest of it is storage.

Flatcap: Oh yeah. There's certainly some that storage the, the one in my town used to actually be a grocery store of five years ago. No, actually probably longer than that. It's, it's been vacant for probably six years before Aldi moved in there, but they basically cut the old grocery store in half and did not take the full space on. And then there's still an empty vacant space, uh, on the other side as well. So they kind of like took the, the middle third, the middle of the store, the middle of the store and cut the other two ends off of it. And, uh, so some of it could be storage, but there's still some, you know, frontage that another, another business could go in next to them.

JUSJAYD: Right. It's a good idea. Especially if they own the building, it's money they can get back.

Flatcap: I do not know if they own it.

JUSJAYD: I mean, maybe a lot of stores you'd say is lease.

Flatcap: Yeah. Well, the reason the other grocery store went out is because a Walmart went in town and the, uh, landlord decided he could raise rent on everybody else because Walmart came into town. So that means more businesses coming to town. I can raise rent. So that landlord drove three, four other businesses out of town after Walmart came in because they couldn't compete when he raised rent.

JUSJAYD: It's funny as people don't realize I, I go on a, on community websites all the time when I'm trying to look for something local and everybody complains about the local store so much more expensive than Walmart. And people just don't realize, yeah, Walmart's cheaper, but they also sell a lot more than just groceries. And there are a lot more of them than your local chain. So yeah, your local chains do have to expensive just to stay afloat.

Flatcap: Right. They, well, they can't even get the price that Walmart gets stuff at because they don't buy enough to, to, you know, it's the same reason. Like you want to buy one pencil or you want to buy a pack of 20 pencils.

JUSJAYD: Right.

Flatcap: Well, the 20 pencils turns out to be cheaper in the long run, but I only need one. Like, you know, the, the local store can't have 20 extra things laying around just to get you the right price.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. I mean, they could, but like you said, it's not going to be that cheap price. It's not going to be 20 cents a pencil. It's going to be a dial-out pencil. Yeah.

Flatcap: So I know that you're in a lot of different discords as well. You're, you're in different communities. You were talking about, we've talked about reach conference. You haven't been there with them. We mentioned CrossingTomi. She's part of Hopeful Disasters. Are you part of any collaboration of Christian streamers?

JUSJAYD: I would like to be, but currently no. I, like, I see, cause I watch, uh, you pretty, I think it's, she's on right before you, a ukulele for worship that that's between you and her. That's how I start my mornings aside from reading my Bible. And she's always posting, you know, at the end, all these collabs. And I'm like, man, I know half the people in that collab. I want to be a part of it. But a lot of it is, I'm either streaming at the same time or that happens to be one of the days where it's like, nope, that's wife time. So, but it is something I look forward to doing at some point trying to think. Yeah. No, I don't have anything that collaborative Christian based, like, well, like I said, it's something that I have, I have a goal to do at some point.

Flatcap: Okay. I just wonder because it hadn't come up in any conversations that we've talked about, but it doesn't mean it's not there. I mean, there's, there's several of those and I've had several different people on who are in collaborative things like Hopeful Disasters. I think now is Hope Digital Ministry, I think is the. Right. They change names. The parent organization. Maybe the streamers are still Hopeful Disasters. I'm not sure how all that details worked out with them as they've, they've grown. Reach Conference is growing. Nerd Culture Ministry Summit. Taco, I think has had some struggles. You mentioned Yooka Laylee. She's a part of Taco. As well as Reach Conference. Digital, DC4C, Digital Creators for Christ. I'm trying to think of all the other ones. I could look through my Discord server and, and figure out all the other ones. I'm like Unity Gaming, Blessing Bo.

Flatcap: There's a whole bunch of them out there. Keeping track of what all of them are doing and what they're involved. Man, that's a full-time job if you were, if you were not. It is.

JUSJAYD: It really is. And Taco used to be bigger. And I think some of that is with the founder, Christian. Ninja, he, he, he had a calling to go in a different direction. And that's kind of why Taco is where it is now. Because I think Yooka Laylee's, from what I understand, she runs Taco. She, she may have some people helping, but she's the one that's running the show now. And I think that happens in a lot of communities where the founder has a different calling and everybody's left to pick up the pieces and keep it going.

Flatcap: Well, the blessing there, though, is, is that I will say, is Taco created a group of people that were not reliant on the one person.

JUSJAYD: Yeah.

Flatcap: So, so that one person could move to something else and it did not disappear when that happened. I mean, that, that's one of the things I love about being in these collaborative communities is, so like being in the church digital, it doesn't rely on me. The church digital, even though Jeff is the one that founded it, he has gotten it to a point where it doesn't rely on Jeff. Yes, Jeff is our visionary. He's our founder. He's the one leading the charge, but he had heart surgery in January and, and was basically absent for four months.

JUSJAYD: Right.

Flatcap: And yet we functioned and we, we maintained and we even grew in some areas. Yeah. There were some things that we couldn't do and some things that we, you know, we had some struggles, but if he didn't come back, we would have still been able to manage and move on. I mean, maybe not at the same pace and maybe not in the same direction. And, and right now, like, man, I'm really excited about the next several months of what we're doing. I mean, if, if people did not see this earlier and you hadn't heard about it, we started a Bible study that's on Tuesdays that'll go from now until December. So when this podcast comes out, if you want to go check that out, it'll be on Twitch, or you can go to the church.digital slash scattered and, and sign up. And they're starting next week. The daily devotional will come out.

Flatcap: So the daily devotionals will be a week behind of the live stream, but the live stream is creating the content for the daily devotionals that you can just sign up for you. So if you miss the live stream, you're not on Twitch, you're watching the VOD somewhere else. You can still go to that and sign up. And part of the purpose of that is to demonstrate and show people that you can build relationships and you can do discipleship remotely. And, and you can do it over a short period of time and you can do it with other people who are on the journey for you in different levels. So we're, we're hoping that we can model that and people will copy that and go duplicate it or modify it and figure out how to do it themselves. We're just trying to be a living example for others to be able to copy and, and be able to implement.

JUSJAYD: You're hoping to be a, you're hoping to be a baseline for something new.

Flatcap: Yes. Yes. Help, help start that new trend of you can come together and do Bible studies with people and you don't have to be present every week in order to make it happen.

JUSJAYD: Right. It's a good idea.

Flatcap: So just, uh, if anyone is interested in being on that, like you're what you're, you know, you're like, Hey, I'd like to be on it. We have six people who might be on the Twitch stream. Uh, you can sign up for that. You can DM me or go to the church digital discord and message me or Jeff. Uh, I will be on vacation here in a little bit. So that's why I'm saying, you know, if, if you miss me, I believe there's, there's some signup. There's more info. Just, just ask questions until you get an answer if you're interested. Uh, but we did have wordy girl and, uh, will pog who were on this week with myself and Jeff and Ian from the church digital. Uh, so that was the, we had one spot open. So it could have had one more.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. I actually think I came in Tuesday at the tail end.

Flatcap: You did. Yep. Yep. I remember you showing up at, uh, in the, in the podcast. I'm trying to think.

JUSJAYD: I actually think I had just ended stream. And that's one of the things I always do when I end stream is I go find a couple of people to watch for a little while. Cause, uh, I have this command in my bot. If I have to fix something, I'll, I'll type in chat. Hey, go fix this. And that's the first thing I do when I end stream is I'll pull up a couple of streams and watch and I'll go fix things. And I remember pulling up like, Oh man, I missed it. That's all right. I'll catch one eventually.

Flatcap: Oh yeah. Well, and if you don't catch it live, like I said, we are, we are taking the content. There should be two clips from everybody that participated that will be sent out in a daily devotional. So it'll take the text that we went over and it'll break it down in a daily bite for you throughout the, throughout next week is, uh, is the plan for that. And then some will go on. That's a good plan.

JUSJAYD: So that's a really good plan. Like you said, if you missed it, you still get, you still get the information you wanted to watch.

Flatcap: Yeah. So let me just put that in the chat there. So it's the church.digital slash scattered. If anybody's interested in signing up and getting those devotionals and it'll be 5 PM Eastern on Tuesdays that, uh, we will have the, uh, Twitch stream going live. So I, I will miss the next four. I will, I won't. I, if I participate, you'll be out. Yeah. I will be remote. So I may be able to drop in on my phone from, from remote, but I will not be in the, I will not be on camera. So I'll join the chat or join the conversation as I can.

JUSJAYD: That's a good way to do it. You can't be there physically. No, not physically because none of this is really physical, um, but you can still be there and interact.

Flatcap: Yeah.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. That's a good idea.

Flatcap: Yeah. Well, next week, if I, if I do, it'll only be for a half an hour because then I have a denominational meeting of at six 30. So it'll be like, it starts and I got to leave. So it might be worth showing up. It just depends on.

JUSJAYD: Even for a little bit.

Flatcap: For a little bit. Just to say, hi, welcome people in chat for a minute, see how the convos go in and, and then moving along.

JUSJAYD: Yep. It's a good point.

Flatcap: So what has been some things that you've learned as being a streamer? What, maybe something you learned about yourself, or maybe you learned about your faith by, by streaming and by engaging people intentionally, giving them hope and talking about your faith.

JUSJAYD: Uh, what I've learned about my faith with streaming is to, to treat people the way you want to be treated, which I've always done that anyway. But to give people a little bit of grace because you don't know what they're going through. And some people aren't ready to open up and tell you what they're going through. And I've seen it in a stream earlier today where somebody was questioning the person that was streaming. And it, and a lot of people, even the streamer said, you know, you got to give them grace. But, uh, that's something with faith, with stream that I've learned is to give people more grace, maybe just a little bit more than they think they need. Because a lot of people don't share our faith, but maybe they're there just because they like the way you run things.

JUSJAYD: My, my whole stream has always been a good, I used to, my community used to be called the Good Vibes Club before I changed my name. So I'm always trying to portray that. And then, and when I came out as a Christian, that was a major thing that people realize is I've always been a Christian and that's always how I've ran my community. Now I'm just telling you that I'm a Christian. That's the only difference. Uh, so I learned that with faith and streaming. And other things I've learned with streaming is always talk, even if nobody's watching. Because if you're not talking and somebody comes in, then they're not going to stay. Uh, I've, I've had to learn that. I used to have a big fright of public speaking. Not really fright, but I always got nervous. I didn't want to do it. Yeah. And streaming has brought that out on me. Uh, even with work, I wasn't a big communicator at my old job.

JUSJAYD: And it took me streaming to kind of break that shell. And I've learned this very important thing about me on streaming. And maybe it's something to do with something. I don't know. My wife seems to think I'm a little bit autistic. I don't know. I've never been it. But my mouth makes the weirdest shapes randomly. Like, like my wife has told me, and I've even seen a vase. I'll just be streaming next. You know, my mouth is like. And I'm not even talking. Just right now, me opening the clothes. It's like, I'm yawning. And I'm like, why am I doing that? And it's gotten to a point where I've become conscious of my mouth opening. Like, I will purposely keep my mouth closed if I'm not talking. So that's a lot of what I've learned with streaming.

Flatcap: Yeah, it's, it's funny. The, the little things that you learn.

JUSJAYD: Well, I guess I got to fix my, my drapes just fell down. Oh, what?

Flatcap: Yeah.

JUSJAYD: Like, it was, it was, it was kind of loud. So I knew it was something. Yeah, it, well, my drapes are behind my desk. It's weird. Only one side came down. I guess I know what I'm doing tomorrow. It's just, I'm sitting here and it happened once before. And I'm like, okay, well, I'll fix it. Well, there it goes again. And I use, I tell my wife all the time, I said, maybe that's God telling me something.

Flatcap: Well, it could be, but maybe not. I mean, how, how do you know? I actually was just listening to a podcast talking about sometimes you're seeing God in something is your perspective. And that's not a bad thing because two people can have the same thing happen. Let's just say, uh, your parents get a divorce, uh, when you're a kid, one person sees God carrying them through all of the trials and all of the struggles and keeping them from being in the fights that happened. Not witnessing any, any of the stuff and, and being able to walk away without scars and another person blames God for the parents getting split up. Like you didn't protect my family. So which place was God in and which place wasn't God in? Well, God was there. And are you seeing God truly where he was, or are you blaming God for not seeing God for where he truly was?

Flatcap: And I'm not saying one's right, one's wrong necessarily from the person's perspective of what they felt. Okay. So I'm not, I'm not denying people's feelings. I'm saying they're the ones who are setting up what they see God is doing. And I just want to say, you know, like if you go spend some time reading the Psalms, the Psalmist often has a perspective of God, where are you? But the Psalmist almost always comes back to God, I know you're here and God, I know you are in control and I'm going to wait on you. So, so it's the, both can be true at the same time and you're free to express it, but don't neglect to go back to God is the one, you know, so just to go to your point of maybe God's here. So, so look for it and see if you find it, but if he's not, that's okay too.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. For, for whatever reason in my life, especially the past two years, I can always tell when God's around. Don't ask me how I can just tell the difference. And maybe it's, it's the way I sit there and say, man, this is not going to go the way I hope it's going to go. And then at the end of the day, like that day went exactly the opposite of where I thought I was going to go. And that was literally God saying, hey, I know you think it's going to be bad, but it's going to be okay because I'm in control. And I try to tell people that all the time when they're like, why isn't God answering me? Why isn't this? God's going to answer you when it's his time in his way. He's always in control, but you're not going to know when he answers until he answers because it's his timing.

JUSJAYD: And I know quite a few people that have gone away from their Christian faith because God didn't answer their prayers fast enough. Well, you know what? He's not on your clock. He's on his clock.

Flatcap: Well, you know, as we were, we were reading earlier today in the reference to, you know, 40 days going and checking out the promised land. And then it was like, well, God ain't here. He can't do it. And we're like, did you forget what he did getting you out of Egypt? Like it wasn't that long ago, you know? And did you remember what happened when, you know, Moses went up the mountain for 40 days? It wasn't that long and you all freaked out and we're, and through, through God, you know, you created your own gods. You know, I was like, what, what is with us that we have such a short time frame of a short memory and also a short, we have to have microwaved action on stuff. What do you mean? I have to simmer for two hours. Are you kidding me? Simmering my pot of beans for two hours?

Flatcap: Like I could just put them in the microwave for two minutes and have something not even as adequate as, as good beans, but it would be ready.

JUSJAYD: I always look at it, especially this day and age. And you could also point this to smartphones. People want instant gratification. Oh, you can look at it in, in most people's careers. They, they want that salary at the top of the ladder, but they don't want to wait to climb up the ladder to get there. They, they want it now. If you can't give it to me now, I'm going somewhere else. And you could tie that to any fabric of life. And I, like I said, I tie that to smartphones. So I have found, people used to go to libraries. Now you don't because you got a smartphone in your hands. People used to go door to door selling encyclopedias. Oh, now you got a cell phone in your hands. Yeah. Yeah.

Flatcap: The encyclopedia was a long time ago. That's, that's been gone for a long time. I did have those when I was a kid. I remember, I remember when my parents bought a set of encyclopedias. I remember that.

JUSJAYD: I remember going to my grandparents' house. My grandmother had this old massive case bookshelf. Every volume of Encyclopedia Britannica was in there. And I used to go in like, what is in these books? It was always hilarious. Some of the things I'm finding, like, really? Yeah. Well, like I said, I feel like now with smartphones, people want instant gratification because it's in their hands.

Flatcap: Yeah. I don't, I don't know if it's smartphones. I mean, that's, that's a good hypothesis potentially, but, but I do think you're right on some level, like myself growing up. And I would say my generation, we knew we were going to have to start at the bottom of the ladder and work hard and eventually it would pay off and we would move up the ladder. However, experience actually told me that the ladder just kept getting moved and I stayed at the bottom constantly because I started at minimum wage and, and when I finally got my first raise, minimum wage went up to what my raise was. And I got my second raise and minimum wage went up to what my second weight raise was. So the person that just started with no experience was making the same amount as I was. Like this was a constant thing as, as I got first jobs is every time I got a raise within a month, two months, minimum wage would be.

Flatcap: So essentially by the time I'd get a raise, the boss would give it to me knowing he was going to have to give it to me anyway. So he'd give it to me ahead of it to make me feel good.

JUSJAYD: Like I earned something to make you feel like you actually got a raise and you really didn't.

Flatcap: Yeah. I didn't really get a raise, you know, but I had that struggle and I think a lot of us did. And yet like my kids and their generation, and I don't know what it is, maybe it's smartphones because they, they did end up with smartphones. They didn't have them their whole life. They had phones earlier because, you know, they were available. I mean, there weren't available when I was a kid, but they kind of had the expectation of they were going to start after college at the level that their parents were at. And I'm like, how did you get that thought in your head? Like, why would you expect to be making equivalent to, to what, what it took me this long to get to?

JUSJAYD: Right. I mean, I will admit I was one of them. Uh, look, say somebody followed. Now my lights are changing.

Flatcap: Yeah, I see that. I like the lights changing. That's nice.

JUSJAYD: I forgot. I completely forgot I had to, to follow.

Flatcap: Very cool.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. I will admit I was one of those people. I will. I thought when I got out of college, I was going to make this money because I followed in the footsteps of my grandfather and he, I didn't realize he had what he had to go through to get to that point. And I was like, well, well, he's doing this. He's making this money. I can do it. Not the case. I had to learn the hard way that no, you still got to climb that ladder.

Flatcap: Yeah. I don't know. We're not, we're probably not going to solve the world's problems that way, but, uh, you know, at least in some ways, uh, we can be a space that provides hope and darkness for those people. And, uh, in that, I, I, I think we're all kind of on equal footing. You know, if, if I can create that space and you can create that space, we're not in competition with each other. You're, you're going to attract different people than I'm going to attract, or they might be the same. And we are collaborative in that way of being the resources of the watering, as we were talking about earlier, the water watering of the seeds of hope for somebody.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. It's a really good point. And, and I mean, you, you could do that with anything with faith. It's, it's not a competition. Just some people have different methods of getting, getting their, their goal. And you were talking about collaborative things. That's something that everybody, you and I could do that you, me, me and Lucius could do me and sunshine could do it's collaborating to not compete. Yeah, absolutely.

Flatcap: You know, it's, it's one of the things why I, man, I really love having the podcast and it's one reason why, like, Hey, when does it work for you? Not here's my schedule and you show up when I'm going to do it. Right. It's good. Well, I was like, well, I was trying to get someone to understand, like, they're like, when's your podcast? I'm like, when do you stream? No, when's your podcast? Okay. I do the podcast when you stream. So your community is already there and I get introduced to your community and I get to highlight you to your community. Like, no, no, not come over here in secret when your community is not on. Like how bad would that, I mean, you're, you said you used to stream in the morning.

Flatcap: So some of your community would show up, but let's just say 80% of your community can't come to my morning stream when I'm on how, how inconvenient, like the whole point is collaborative of it. Here's the piece I give is your time is my schedule. And the piece you give is your community to me, to be able to highlight you to them and, and celebrate what God's doing in you to celebrate your community. Uh, I think it's a different way of thinking of collaboration, but I think it's just a beautiful way of collaborating in a way that blesses both communities and it makes a bigger kingdom impact.

JUSJAYD: Yeah, it does.

Flatcap: Anything we haven't touched on that you just like to, to bring up or chat about or talk about?

JUSJAYD: Hmm. And I mean, my brain could go in so many different directions. I don't even know which way to go. I guess we could go talk about daily devotionals. Okay. There was a time right when I came out as a Christian streamer where I started every stream with a, with a Bible verse. And I tried to, I guess you would call it a daily devotional. Cause like I said, I would come out when I would pick a verse and sometimes it would be a verse that it just comes to me when I'm reading my Bible in the morning and say, you know what, maybe I'll share this. And I did that for a little bit. And like I said, I would read the Bible verse and I would tell you what that Bible verse meant to me. And, uh, posted, I made some clips out of it. Like I said, I think I may be done four of them. And a few times I shared them on other social media sites, people have like, man, thank you.

JUSJAYD: I didn't think of it this way. And, uh, talking about it today with you, it kind of makes me want to go back to that. Actually just, Hey, this, I'm sorry. And maybe I'll do it at the beginning. Maybe I'll do it to end the stream instead. That's a good thing to talk about how daily devotionals affect different people.

Flatcap: Yeah. And there, yeah, there's a, well, that's part of what we're doing is trying to model it for other people, but there's not a, here's the one way to do it. So yeah. Do you do it at the beginning? And there's plenty of streamers that do it at the beginning. And then, you know, you usually have your bigger audience in the middle of your stream somewhere and, you know, you have a bell curve. At least that's, that's what I see a lot of people have is you grow for a while and then you're there and the early, early people have to leave and go. Somewhere and you, you taper off before you finish. And so if you do it at the end though, you know, like I, I do a blessing at the end of, of, of my Bible study and send people away with a blessing. And so yeah, if you did that at the, the end, then you're leaving people with that. That could be cool.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. That's something I've recently thought about. I think that, and you, you talked, we talked earlier about inspiration. I think it's you that has kind of inspired me to start thinking about that again.

Flatcap: Oh, well, good. Cause that's, like I said, that's one of our hopes with, with doing that is to show. And, and those who, who haven't been there, we're using the here method. And so there is no, we're going to tell you, we did all this Bible study and we're going to come tell you, no, it is all of us who were there reading it together, not, not studying it ahead of time, reading it together. And then we highlight what's in the text. So all of us took a turn saying a verse or a phrase stood out to us. And then we explain, we explain what's going on in the passage. And if those of us may know, like, cause we know the passage, we've heard other pastors say it, uh, what was going on in particular text. So we're reading in Peter. So where was Peter writing it to? When was it happening? Those kinds of things. You could bring them in to that and then apply. So we talk about how do you apply this?

Flatcap: And I like to think about how would the first audience that received this apply it? And then might I apply it differently? And then we have a respond to it. So what are we going to do to respond to the passage? So that's a really simple way. And we're just trying to demonstrate it, but it's not the only way there's Lectio Divina, which, which has some similar elements to it, to that you, you can, you can do inductive Bible study. What's another one that's called a discovery Bible study, uh, which a lot of those are designed to not be the expert in the room. And I think that's the most valuable thing, because as soon as you try to make yourself the expert in the room, it stops people from thinking about the passage and just waiting for you to give them the answers.

Flatcap: And I think we're supposed to wrestle with the passage because where you are in life, I may not be able to get you from the passage, what you need and where I am in it life. I certainly want to process and share with you because it might bless you. It might bless others. I could totally miss, and you could totally miss each other. If we just say, no, this is it. You will have people that, and I, and I, and I understand your heart of what you were saying about, here's what it, here's what it meant to me, but there's a whole bunch of people say, you can't say what it means to you because the Bible is its own thing. It's not what it means to you. Kind of, and I know that's not the way you were meaning it. I'm just kind of going, you know, if you use that language, be careful because some people attack that language and it's like, I know what you mean.

Flatcap: So there's no reason to attack you, but no, the Bible is a this, and it means this to all places and all times. And I'm like, yeah, that could be true. But as I look at how the apostles use the New Testament or the Old Testament and the New Testament, it seems a little bit more like it has more fluidity to be an example to us that can have more applications. It has an explanation, but multiple applications, if that makes sense.

JUSJAYD: Yeah, it makes sense. I think that's how I was kind of treating before that I did is here's what the Bible says. Here's applications in your life where that, that part of the scripture fits. Just had a thought in my head about it and I completely forgot. No, I go back to, I took some leadership classes and one of the leadership classes was if you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room. And I use that with trying to understand the Bible because I could tell you from Jump Street, I cannot remember anything in the Bible. I could read all day and twice on Sunday. And if you tell me, hey, what's John three, whatever, like, but if you tell me this, tell me a Bible verse, I'm like, I've read that in the Bible. Yeah, that's exactly what it says. And my wife is the same way.

JUSJAYD: We could read the Bible, but couldn't without looking at it, tell you word for word, what a, what a script of verse was. But if somebody tells us the verse, yeah, I read that. I know exactly what it's at in the Bible. So I think that's one of the things I struggle with, with trying to continue doing devotions in my stream.

Flatcap: Well, on one point, I don't think you need to know the references because the references are not inspired, you know, the chapters and verses, they were not in the original. When you're listening to Jesus quotes scripture.

JUSJAYD: He's just talking.

Flatcap: He's just talking. He's, he'll say, Isaiah says, and he'll quote from Isaiah and he'll quote from other places. He doesn't tell you all the places. He starts with Isaiah and then he adds other stuff to it. And, and he puts it in there and, and Paul, when he's, he's quoting things, he just quotes them. And what we don't know at times, is this a quote that was a common saying that, you know, the Corinthians had, is this a quote from somebody in their community? Is it a paraphrase of something in scripture he's alluding to? I mean, there's, there's all kinds of ways. Now, some we go, oh yeah, that's obvious. He said this and it's there and we know it's there and we can match it. Sometimes we can't match it and know where he's quoting from.

JUSJAYD: That's a good point.

Flatcap: I, one of the, I'll just say as, as a, as a person, as a child, I memorized lots of scripture and I grew up, it was really important to know the chapter and verse and, and, and that be part of it. Uh, but what I saw is people like you who that made me a higher class Christian than you were. And that did not seem right. Like just because of God gifted me in a way to memorize things. And, and, and process them. I'm not like, that's my gift, you know, on some level. So I can't get anything from the gift to elevate me. That makes no sense. So as a pastor, I, what I will usually do, I will not quote chapter and verse. I will try to follow the pattern of Jesus and say, Paul said this, Peter said this, uh, this is in Genesis or this is in the Torah. Like I I'll be generic as I can be, but let you know, it's from scripture.

Flatcap: One of the gospels says this, you know, like I, even if I know more succinctly, like there's some passages I absolutely know, you know, but I might just say, oh, it's a, it's on the sermon of the Mount, you know, but is it in chapter five, six or seven of Matthew? I don't know. It doesn't matter.

JUSJAYD: It doesn't. What matters is the verse in the scripture.

Flatcap: Yeah. And what matters is the whole context around it and how you could do it. So yeah, I would just say don't, don't get caught up in this, the details of things, stay with the heart of why you want to do it.

JUSJAYD: Yeah.

Flatcap: You know, if your heart is to bring hope to people and you can do that through a verse, then use the verse to bring hope. Don't worry about the reference. You know what? They can put it into AI. They can, they can, they can, and they can find it. You know, they can get the bot to find it. You know, the, you know, there's bots that can do that stuff. Just, just, yeah. Just go with where your heart is leading to give people hope and, and stay with that. That's, that's part of the thing that you bring to people. Don't, don't try to be somebody else in what they do. Like I'll tell people this and, and probably haven't said it for a while is like, don't try to copy me. Like I'm me. Okay. I'm, I'm just doing and being me. I mean, like you, you have a different hat. I have all of my hats. I mean, I like my peeps that like these kinds of hats, but I'm not trying to win anybody over to.

JUSJAYD: Exactly.

Flatcap: And, and I'm also like all the little quirky things that I do on my stream. Like, like if you like, I just wonder at times, like somebody who doesn't know me wandering in for the first time. And I do like the, if bum, bum, bum, bum. And like, what the, I thought we were reading scripture. Like what the heck is this little piece about? Why? I don't, I don't know who I stole that from. And I just did. And it's stuck. And now I'm stuck doing it. You know, other things I know where I got them from. Like when I go, you done messed up, A.A. Ron. I know exactly where I got that one from. And if you do. I know that one. And then you're going to have a good laugh every time it comes up because, oh my goodness, reading the old Testament, they done messed up, A.A. Ron. And they're going to mess up again in another reading in this week.

Flatcap: It's, it's, it's going to be, maybe we could get through one day without somebody messing up, but not two. There's.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. Of course, you never know. You might be able to get through multiple days of somebody messing up.

Flatcap: Well, maybe, maybe if we, we do a, well, I don't know. I'm thinking, no, we do two chapters of the gospels and the Pharisees show up or the crowd does something. So, or Peter does something. So I'm like, I don't know if I could even do it in the new Testament. I don't know. It could happen.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. I don't, I don't, when it comes to streaming, I don't try to emulate anybody. I like to say, okay, what are they doing? How can I do something similar? That's not a copy, but makes it part of me. And that's one of the things that I've always liked about watching your streams is you change the voice depending on the character in the verse. And I think that brings a lot of people who normally are Christians or don't like reading the Bible. It gets them interested in it. It's, it's the, the hook.

Flatcap: Oh, there's depth. Well, that, that comes from my theater background. And, and I, I, and I think that, I think the Bible's exciting and I don't, I like, I would love to do that more on a level of, of, of preaching. However, there's a level of, of, of the, uh, being in the pulpit and people's expectation that I'm going to break their expectation. Therefore, they're not going to hear the message. So I can't, I cannot do the same extremeness that I do, like where I get really snarky or I, I just, I just dumb play up the, uh, well, golly gee, Jesus, how are we going to do that? You know, like I can't do that one in the pulpit. That would, that was, no, no, that was too much, uh, for most people.

Flatcap: But I, I think the scripture is alive and, and I want it to feel alive, uh, when you do that, when, when I'm reading and engaging by what I wish I was better at, and it would have to take preparation, which is why I'm not better at it is, is knowing how many voices are going to be in there and then marking what voice I'm going to use. So when I come back to the crowd or come back to the Pharisees, the same voice I used six, six, uh, you know, minutes ago. And I've, I've like, I use three different voices for the Pharisees in the same chat.

JUSJAYD: It's like, yeah, you're like, wait, did I use that voice for that Pharisee or for this? Yeah. I was like, I don't know. Yeah. That's probably a little too much prep work.

Flatcap: Yeah. That that's prep work. That would be great, but I'm like, I'm just having fun. And exactly. I think the Bible is, well, actually I was just talking about this in, uh, in the interview I did the, uh, the other day, cause they were asking about faith and faith journey and those kinds of things. And, and I was just talking about the Bible is the only book I've ever loved to read. It, it, it, it has been the most exciting book since I was a kid. I, I like you asked me to read something. I hate reading. I, I don't want to read. You give me the Bible. I'll read it for hours. I mean, it's, it's the weirdest. I have all these books on my shelf and I am a slow reader and I've taken speed reading courses. I just want to read at the pace. I talk. Yeah. So you give me that a hundred page book and like, I know people that could finish it in an hour, two hours, whatever.

Flatcap: It's going to take me five hours to read a hundred pages. It's just, it's just what it's going to take. I'm not speed reading. I'm not speed read. However, I've just started this year going and buying the audio book and listening on double speed, which actually is a throwback because, because, because I did this in seventh grade. I went, you're talking about not go to the library. Well, there, there were books on cassette one, when I was in seventh grade, I didn't read the Chronicles of Narnia, but I did the Chronicles of Narnia for book reports because I went to the library and I got the cassette tapes and it's like, I can listen to the cassette tape that's going to read this to me in two hours. I'm going to spend two weeks reading this book back then. I'm like, are you kidding me? So, and that wasn't even with playback speed back then.

Flatcap: That was just, you know, like shorten my time, be able to grasp it. So I'm, I'm much better an auditory visual learner than, than reading. The other problem I have, if I'm reading a book, I argue with the book. I, I, why did you do this? No, no. I just argue and say, no, you're wrong. That's not right. It's this you're misapplying it. Like, you know, they'll start out and say, this is the, the root sin of all things. And I'm like, no, it's not. I don't have that problem. Like, like that is not my problem. My problem is this. And so I'll be arguing with the book. It's like, this slows down reading, you know, tremendously. Like I, like I, I like, this would be a fun thing. It'll never happen, but it'd be a fun thing. Like somebody after my death were to get all of my books and go through and, and just chronicle how many times I argued with the book. Like, like, why are you doing this?

Flatcap: The author's not there. Nobody's going to know this, but it's just like, it's that processing that you do. At least that's what I do. So I was like, man, that slows down just reading. And then my father-in-law, on the other hand, loves to read. He reads series of books, big, giant, thick things. And then he'll get the same series again and read it because he, he doesn't remember what's in it. I'm like, well, how do you not remember? You read it. Why were you reading it to not remember? Like, I can't comprehend to read and not remember, which is probably another reason why I don't like to read fast. Like, I feel like I can't remember anything that happened.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. I have that issue with reading. I, I hate reading. Bible is the only constant book I read. I'm a huge Star Wars nerd. I have Star Wars books. It has taken me months to read one book. Yeah. But I, but I can go back to the Bible and just read it all day long and not get tired of it. But I pick up my Star Wars book. I read 10 chapters and I'm starting to fall asleep. I'm like, oh yeah.

Flatcap: One of the, the, the, well, in leadership books, one of the things I started to look for is books that were really, really, really short chapters. So I'll give two recommendations here, Lincoln on leadership, which I believe every chapter is two pages. Ooh. Yeah. That's a short chapter. Yeah, sure. I can't, it's either. And then the other, the other one that I loved is victory secrets of Attila the Hun. So it's like Attila the Hun sitting around at the campfire telling lessons that he's learned. So those are two really, really good leadership books. I read those, you know, probably 25 years ago. They're really good, easy to read leadership books. Like you can leave it in the bathroom and just pick it up when you're in there, read two chapters and be done for the day, you know?

JUSJAYD: Yeah.

Flatcap: I don't even know if they're still in print, but.

JUSJAYD: So the big college by me is, it'll kind of, kind of tell where I live is LSU. I just Googled Lincoln on leadership. I can press online to borrow it from the LSU library.

Flatcap: There you go.

JUSJAYD: So it's still, it's still out there. Maybe not printing anymore, but it's still out in print.

Flatcap: Yeah, there you go. Cool. Yeah. I've not got, my wife has done that. The, the, uh, the borrow from the library to read it on the e-reader. Like if the, the books I've all, I also have the, uh, if I get it that way as an electronic book, I have the, the, the app that will read the book to me.

JUSJAYD: I just read it to me. I don't want to read it to me.

Flatcap: I'm all good. I'm all good. You just read. Which, which at times it reads all the little footnotes and all the other stuff and the page number.

JUSJAYD: And I don't need to know footnotes or the page number. Just read the actual book. Yeah. I've, I've tried some of those. I said, no, I can't do this.

Flatcap: Well, I haven't done it often. It's more of, I had a book I needed to get finished and I was struggling to read it and find the time to read. And I have much more time to listen than I have time to sit and read.

JUSJAYD: Yeah.

Flatcap: So I could listen.

JUSJAYD: Cause you could listen in a car. You could listen.

Flatcap: I can listen on a plane. If you're flying, I can listen while riding my bicycle. So that's what I, I spend a lot of time listening to podcasts, riding my bicycle, mowing my lawn, you know, those kinds of things.

JUSJAYD: Yep. That's one of the great things about audio books. You listen, you can literally read or listen to a book anywhere.

Flatcap: Yeah. Well, that was a cool, cool convo talking about devotionals. Are there some other things that you've tried or thought about doing on your stream to intentionally be faith forward?

JUSJAYD: I have tried, and I guess this goes back to trying is not copying people, but I've tried to have do like whole Bible studies. And as much as I like teaching in my professional career, in my life, I'm just not one that could teach faith. Maybe it's cause I'm still trying to understand the Bible myself. So how can I teach somebody when I don't understand it? And that's one of the things that I've thought about. And it's one of those, probably one that's on a back burner that may never come to fruition or may, maybe God says, yeah, you know, this isn't the time to do it. Yeah.

Flatcap: Or, or maybe, or maybe that's a collaborative thing that you do, that you, you get together with a couple of other people or one other person and do a regular explore in the Bible once a month or every other week stream together. Who knows? I'm just planting a seed here. You know, maybe it'll get watered and maybe it won't, or maybe it'll get watered and it'll grow in five years.

JUSJAYD: Or maybe it'll get watered and ferment instead of sprout.

Flatcap: There you go. Maybe that'll happen. It'll ferment. It'll become something funky and it'll be fantastic. And we won't know what it is, but it'll be great.

JUSJAYD: Exactly.

Flatcap: But just saying like, yeah, the whole, you like, I know that copying is the sincerest form of flattery. I understand that. However, like I'll, I'll just, I'll just pick on Chuck Swindoll because he was, he was the, the president of Dallas Theological Seminary when I was going to go to Dallas. And then he moved on to being the chancellor. But like a lot of us who went there, like we're influenced by him and at chapel, they're like, you're not going to be the next Chuck Swindoll. You're not supposed to be the next Chuck Swindoll. I love that Chuck Swindoll could quote people. Like he would quote people. He'd, he'd like eloquently weave it into the story and tell these quotes and all that. I can't quote people. Like I can't quote a person coming in with this eloquent. Like I have to go like this. Literally. I've tried it a few times. It doesn't worry.

Flatcap: I have to pull it out and go, let me read the quote to you so that I can, like, it just like, it's just a disruption in my personality to read it. I love when other people do it. I can't do it. The most I can do is what I do on stream with, I quote stuff that's irrelevant and it's movie lines and television lines, you know, no more rhymes. I mean it. Anybody want to peanut? I mean, you know, I, I just throw those, like, those are the quotes. I know they don't work in scripture a whole lot when you're preaching.

JUSJAYD: So, so I, I, I'm kind of the same way when I could sit on stream all day long and quote movie quotes, TV quotes of movies that I've watched a million times. Yeah. If I try to quote something else from a, from what a person said, unless I've read that same quote a million times, not going to happen. Yeah. I'm going to just like, you don't have to go, well, this, I may have it written down, but I would be like, well, self-taught said this, or I would read the quote and said, this is what that person said. But like a movie line, I could say that all day long and get it a hundred percent right. And people would actually know what it was.

Flatcap: Yeah. So, yeah. So just going back to the, yeah. Like find out how to make it your own, find, find out how to adapt it or find out that ain't you at all. Even if you appreciate others doing it, you may have no skill to do it. You don't, there's something that just doesn't work with the way that you do the rest of things. So it stands out. I mean, you know, my hat is an homage to a whole bunch of other people that whatever it was that they loved, they had all lined up behind them. They could have had a whole bunch of Legos on display. They, they could have shoes on display, like what, whatever it was they had on display. It's like, well, I'm going to do this.

JUSJAYD: Exactly.

Flatcap: And I actually like did that really early on when I started streaming it, like it, I, you probably, you probably weren't around, but if you go back and watch some really old VODs or even, even some clips, I had boxes that I mounted on the wall that I put hats in. So I had, I had four boxes and I had hats in there and it was like the stagger thing on the wall that was up behind me. The problem was it was Brown wood. I just took a piece of paneling and I cut it up to make boxes so I could mount them on the wall. I put lights in there, but it didn't really work and it didn't look great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I'm like, oh, well I'll, I'll upgrade. So I bought black bookshelves and I had no lights and it, and you couldn't see the, like I had to shine a light into the bookshelf from outside to try to, I'm like, okay, this is just bad. I need light, light color back here.

Flatcap: And, uh, and so I got glass shelves and it's like, man, that looks, that that's the look I was going for.

JUSJAYD: Yeah.

Flatcap: To finally, finally make it work.

JUSJAYD: Yeah. I can see that I've gone through all that stuff. I've had green screens because I had nothing to show. And now I have this, I have a second camera that's mounted on the wall so you can see the rest of my room.

Flatcap: Yeah. I like that camera. That's a nice one.

JUSJAYD: I actually built the shelf for that camera out of a, I have a, I'll just show it to you. I have this. My wife bought me a couple of years ago. Oh, it's, it's, it's a Bluetooth speaker. Yeah. But retro TV. Yeah. But the screen does different animations. I can make them whatever I want on there. But the shelf that the second camera sits on is box, the top of that box that that TV came in. Well, I was, I was sitting there thinking of it the other day. I said, you know, I really want to show off the whole room, not just my, my Lego display cabinet. So how can I show off the whole room? I'm sitting there in my room during work one day and I'm like, I have this box that I'm not using. I have command strips. Let me just stick it on the wall and see how it looks. And I did it. I'm like, don't look bad. So that's how, that's how the second camera is now currently used. Ah, yeah.

Flatcap: Well, and you know, if we go with, uh, one of my other channels, uh, my fish channel, I started off also with, uh, an aquarium behind me. I think, uh, pastor Deustin also had an aquarium behind him. Uh, and then I found another streamer, not a Christian streamer that was, uh, turtles and chill. And, uh, so half of the time he was on and did stuff, but he also had his turtles and he would just leave the turtles on. And I saw that and I'm like, I want to just put a 24 seven stream up of my fish and pastor Deustin went and did it before I was able to. And I was, I was like, come on, man. That was my idea. Like you beat me to it, beat me to it. And his, his quality and stuff is, is different than mine, but it's like, Hey, I'm, I'm, I'm just, you know, doing what I can with it. And, and setting up, I love the underwater cam and the koi pond. Oh yeah, that's, that's so much.

JUSJAYD: Well, I look at it. Well, like you said, yeah, you beat you to it, but you, you're doing the same thing, but doing differently. Cause I watch both of them, but what's different that I like about yours is I could actually watch the sunrise.

Flatcap: Oh yeah.

JUSJAYD: I can't do that on Deustin stream.

Flatcap: Oh no, no, no, no. Yeah. That's, that's a uniqueness about now we're at the point of year where the sunrises are gone to actually, actually see the sunrise. You have to wait for it to get above the trees now. Cause it's, it's behind the trees. It's, it's not over the lake anymore. Boy, I didn't check. I'll check this week if there's any more sunsets, but we're about maybe if it didn't just end, it's going to end by the end of the month that you can watch sunsets. Yeah. So, and I, and I love that it's different. Yeah. What I wish, and I don't know, I'd have to get a different camera. There's probably cameras that you can get that you can program or let people change the, where do you point the cameras at? So, cause otherwise I manually change it from sunrise to sunset. My mom, cause it's at her house also has control over it. So I'll, I'll, I'll set it to sunrise. I'll come back later.

Flatcap: It's set to sunset. She moved it. And then sometimes it'll be set for days and neither of us move it, but it's like, you know, if there's a beautiful sunset going on and I'm not there checking it out, I'd love for the people in stream to be able to turn it and move it. Who knows? Maybe I'll change it in a couple of years and I'll have one that's just aimed at sunrise and one that's at sunset and they'll both be on all the time.

JUSJAYD: Yeah, there is. I mean, there, there is, there is a camera. You could do that. My problem is I don't know if it's an outdoor camera.

Flatcap: Yeah. Well, I'm, I'm using outdoor security cameras that are weatherproof because I need that. What, what's happened, uh, with that camera and, and it is right now, uh, sand from the beach will get stuck in there. So it's at a point where it will only turn this far and it's like, oh no, no, you should be able to turn another 15 degrees. There's a grain of sand stuck in there.

JUSJAYD: It says, no, I can't. I got sand in there.

Flatcap: And, uh, what'll happen in the middle of winter is water will get in there. Ice will form and it'll just get stuck in one spot and I can't move it anymore. Yeah, my mom's not going to venture out there in the snow to turn the camera. It's not happening.

JUSJAYD: No, like, no, I'm not going in the snow. Nope.

Flatcap: Not happening. Well, let's just kind of wrap up with, uh, is there anything that you are planning, uh, for the rest of the year or beginning next year that you're excited about?

JUSJAYD: I actually have three things planned. If people actually do it, one of them is I have a sub goal and I've, I've been telling people that if I get 20 subs on my Twitch channel by the end of this month, I will do a 24 hour stream, but I also have a goal of if I had a thousand followers, I'll do a 12 hour stream. And just like a lot of people do with channel points, I have a community channel points. If you donate, I think it's 250 channel points, I'll do an eight hour stream because most of my streams don't last longer than two hours. Yeah. So for this year, that's what I have planned next year. I, I haven't even thought of yet. I normally do. So once Thanksgiving comes, you will rarely see me on stream. Cause that's, that's family time. Yeah. I, I, I like spending the holidays with my wife.

JUSJAYD: We will watch Christmas shows all day long, but that's when I do my planning for the next year of what I'm gonna do for content. So we'll see what 2027 brings. Cool.

Flatcap: Well, I know, I know people vary. Some people are already thinking of next year. They're not planning anything still this year. And some are like looking forward. I love that you've got set goals that are, I think attainable within your community that if people want that, they certainly can contribute to, to making that happen. And you talk about the, oh man, I don't know what I'm going to do this year for Thanksgiving because those people that know, because a lot of people have no family around or they're outside the U S they don't celebrate Thanksgiving. For me, Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday straight up. Yeah. Always has been since I was a kid. I think we have more time and the Psalms are full of give thanks to the Lord for he is good. Give thanks to the Lord for he is good.

Flatcap: We need more holidays that give thanks than Thanksgiving alone anyway, because I knew some people that were in my stream that like, they didn't know what Thanksgiving was. They're outside the U S and some people are like, yeah, I got no plans for Thanksgiving. Nobody's coming over. And he was like, all right, hang out with me. I'm cooking a Turkey. And yeah. And I ended up doing like one of my longest streams of the year because I'll get up in the morning and I'll stream until noon, one o'clock making my Turkey, doing everything else. Well, my sister-in-law and brother-in-law are going to be up for Thanksgiving. So Thanksgiving is going to be at my mother-in-law's house and not at my house. What am I going to do for the Thanksgiving stream this year? I'm going to, I'm going to have to now think about what do I do for Thanksgiving stream?

JUSJAYD: That's a good one.

Flatcap: I'm like, it's too bad. I don't, I don't know that I kept the VODs from all those. I could just do a Thanksgiving marathon. If I had all my VODs and play five years of Thanksgiving streams. Yeah. Full house feels the same. Yeah. Alone. Yeah. No matter. Yep. I don't know. And I, and I, and I'm not going to impose on my mother-in-law to stream in her kitchen.

JUSJAYD: That's a good one. Can I stream in your kitchen? No, no, no.

Flatcap: Well, my mother-in-law's Thanksgiving meal is a lasagna. So way back when my wife was very young, my mother-in-law made a Turkey, but did not know that there's stuff inside the Turkey you're supposed to take out before you cook it. It was not a good Thanksgiving. It was really rancid. It was not good. And for a long time, my wife would not see, eat anything that had bones in it. She still, I have to carve the Turkey in the kitchen and bring the food off the bone to her. Well, you know, it's like, that's how we do it. It's all, it's all carved in the kitchen, all that because of that event, traumatic event. So they went to lasagna and it's great. I love it. It's a different celebration. So it's like, yeah, I'm not streaming, making lasagna for Thanksgiving. That's not going to cut it. And last year I did deep fried Turkey. I've done lots of options.

Flatcap: So man, I don't know what I'm going to do. Maybe. I don't know. I got to think about this because I got to decide what Christmas is happening. Maybe I'll just postpone it and do a Christmas one and, and do a Turkey or ham or something for Thanksgiving cooking, or I'll do it a different day. Man, it's got my wheels going. Like I'm asking other people, what are their plans for the year? And now you said Thanksgiving and all of a sudden I realized I'm not going to be able to stream.

JUSJAYD: Yeah, man.

Flatcap: I love that. My wife knows I do. And like the kids will show up and they're like, are you done yet? Are you like, cause I put the cameras all over the kitchen. I, you know, the, you know, the fish, the fish cameras get all hijacked and, uh, and put in my kitchen to make sure I can have every camera angle in my kitchen.

JUSJAYD: Yeah.

Flatcap: My mom, on the other hand, I would love to get her set up at some point doing that. Set her up with streaming from her kitchen, baking stuff. That'd be so fun.

JUSJAYD: No kid. That was at all the cams.

Flatcap: No, no. My kids, they don't want to, they have their own streams and stuff. If they're on, they don't want to be on dad's stream. It's not cool. All right. Well, this is, this has been a fantastic conversation. Just, just talking about what God's been up to, what you are doing, how God has used you. And just keeping in mind that God uses every single one of us in a way that nobody else can be used. And, and we are used to reach the people we are supposed to reach and let's not worry about the people we're not supposed to reach. Let's just be faithful with what God gives us. Uh, I think that's just such a fantastic thing that that's, that's what I'm remembering from this conversation. Maybe you have a different takeaway, but that's what I'm remembering.

JUSJAYD: Sort of remember.

Flatcap: Cool. All right. Uh, somebody that we can go right out to.

JUSJAYD: Um, I would say for Faith Forge Gaming is a good one. We could rate out too.

Flatcap: Okay. Let me see. I don't know if I am following.

JUSJAYD: He's actually doing a podcast at the moment.

Flatcap: Oh, very cool. I am not following with the church digital. So let me put that in. All right. That'd be fantastic to go over there and bless. Faith Forge Gaming. Fantastic. Yeah. So everybody, uh, I'll run some credits and tell you what else is coming up. Uh, when the podcasts are going to be dropped on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple, if you're listening to it live, it'll be about a month that it'll come out. JUSJAYD, just, uh, let you know you, when it, when we get it released the day after or so, I'll have a whole bunch of content that you can use for social media and all that. You're welcome to make your own, but the church digital, we're creating those and you're welcome to post and share as much as you'd like, uh, with all of that stuff with your community to help just celebrate and point people to the podcast so they can come and listen and enjoy it.

Flatcap: So thank you everybody who's been hanging out. Uh, love the thoughts and comments in the conversation, a fantastic mods that I have, sunshine S games and five looses. We're here tonight. And, uh, just, uh, what a privilege it is to hang out and learn about what God is up to in digital space and celebrate that there's more people that God's going to be calling. And, uh, we get to be a part of that.

JUSJAYD: Yep. Thank you for being, let me be a part of the show.

Flatcap: Absolutely. All right. Gonna roll the, I'm starting to rate. If you want to start yours, I'll roll the credits and we'll meet over there.

JUSJAYD: Okie dokie. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.